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Douglas Kirkland on Photography: Storytelling through Photography

Douglas Kirkland on Photography: Storytelling through Photography

with Douglas Kirkland

 


"Everyone's camera can tell a story," says world-renowned photographer Douglas Kirkland. Follow along as he explores the process of shooting a series of photos that connect to tell a story.

The course begins with a sampling of some of Douglas's photojournalism work for magazines such as LOOK. Next, accompany Douglas as he and his camera tell the story of a restaurant and its team at work. The photo story begins at a farmers' market at dawn, as the chef chooses his ingredients, continues through the day's menu preparations, and concludes with dinner and dessert. Along the way, Douglas describes his creative process and shares insights gained from decades as a photojournalist.

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author
Douglas Kirkland
subject
Photography, Cameras + Gear, Portraits, Lighting
level
Appropriate for all
duration
55m 36s
released
May 03, 2013

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Introduction
Course highlights
00:00 (MUSIC).
00:04 Douglas: Good storytelling begins as really thinking about the subject you're with.
00:10 That's really the difference between taking pictures and really telling a story.
00:16 What you have to have is a clear idea of what you're trying to say.
00:20 And what is that? It's a story of why this place works.
00:24 It works very well. And what are the elements that make it work?
00:28 And who are the people that make it work? The wheels don't turn without them.
00:34 (MUSIC). Douglas: I don't want to interfere or
00:37 involve myself in taking my subject away from what he or she is doing.
00:44 I want it all to occur in its natural form.
00:49 The most important part of any restaurant is, of course, ultimately the food.
00:54 The food is the star. (MUSIC).
00:57 Douglas: Okay, try putting the straw in it, keep your hand there.
00:59 That's right, yes yes yes. Okay.
01:06 Thank you. (MUSIC).
01:09 Douglas: And of course it should be telling information.
01:11 It's not just about making a pretty picture.
01:14 Each picture should have a meaning to it because the individual out in front of
01:17 you, and what you're doing, that's what's important, and that's where your story is
01:21 really going to come from.
01:24
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Storytelling through photography
00:00 (MUSIC).
00:02 Douglas: Telling stories whether it's with your camera or with your words is a
00:06 great form of expression. I think we all like to do that.
00:09 (MUSIC).
00:11 Ultimately, for me it's the camera.
00:13 (MUSIC).
00:16 I was hired at Look Magazine in 1960. And from that point on I learned how my
00:22 camera could, strange thing to say, but could literally talk.
00:27 I think everybody's camera can if they allow themselves to see what's there and
00:33 make choices. You really communicate with your camera.
00:38 (MUSIC).
00:49 Photo journalism in the 60s was glorious. I was called by the director of
00:53 photography at Look. I was hired in July of 1960 and it was a
00:57 very energetic time for photography and it was a great place to be.
01:03 And frankly I grew up there. I traveled with writers.
01:07 I, my life changed a great deal and I was exposed to all sorts of opportunities.
01:12 For example, Coco Chanel, she had a great influence on me because I was given an
01:17 assignment to go to Paris and she didn't trust me.
01:22 Who was Douglas Kirkland from New York, from this magazine, Look?
01:25 Look was important but Douglas Kirkland? so what she made me or, asked me to do
01:31 and insisted that I do, was to photograph some of her fashion.
01:36 So, I went out with her models and photographed them.
01:40 Some of them right at the place where she worked in on the Rue Cambon in Paris, and
01:44 then I well, also went over near the Louvre and used that as a background.
01:51 She not only asked me, she insisted that I have that developed and come show her
01:55 what I could do. She carefully looked through them.
01:59 And I, I was like hat in hand there. And she, she liked what she saw, and she
02:03 gave me a green light to do whatever I would like.
02:07 She opened her life to me with, with a great deal of intimacy.
02:12 And I used my camera to record this. Now, I was starting to really understand
02:18 what my camera could do. And for example, one picture that's used
02:22 a great deal is where she's working with her hands.
02:26 And that was the power. And I came in close-up on that.
02:30 This was part of telling the story. I want to tell you about working on a
02:36 special issue on Japan that I did. I was given approximately a month to do
02:42 an entire issue of the magazine. We went to Hiroshima and we spent time
02:47 with a family that had survived the atom bomb.
02:51 A young man who was a protester, and I went with him to demonstrations where we
02:56 were tear gassed and everything, and wore helmets.
03:00 But I still had to have a cover. And one day we were on the bullet train
03:05 going back to Tokyo from where we'd, we'd been.
03:09 And I, I saw some, some great graphics on a wall.
03:15 So, I got my interpreter to find a place where we could get this symbol painted
03:20 that meant Japan or home. And so, then we got two, two kids, which
03:25 we, we got from a model agency, believe it or not.
03:29 And got the little kids to sit on the curbside and put that behind them.
03:33 There was our cover. So, there is resolving a problem, an
03:38 entire issue, and you need something that is going to be graphically strong.
03:43 But also tells what is in this issue. (MUSIC) Where good storytelling begins is
03:51 really thinking about the subject you're, you're with.
03:58 That's really the difference between taking pictures and really telling a story.
04:02 And of course, it should be telling information.
04:05 It's not just about making a pretty picture.
04:07 Each picture should have a meaning to it. Because the individual out in front of
04:12 you and what you're doing, that's what's important and that's where your story is
04:15 really going to come from. (MUSIC) What I'd like to do now is tell
04:20 you about a story I've wanted to do and I've just completed.
04:28 My wife and I, Françoise and I, don't go out to restaurants very much.
04:32 But when we do go out there's always one place we go to.
04:35 It's where a couple of friends of hers have created a restaurant, Nicolas and Frederic.
04:41 And they are two brothers, who have a wonderful restaurant called, The Little Door.
04:47 We thought about this very carefully before launching into this project.
04:52 Because what you have to have is a clear idea of what you're trying to say.
04:58 And what is that? It's the story of why this place works.
05:02 It works very well. And what are the elements that make it work?
05:05 And who are the people that make it work? It's not just one individual.
05:08 It's the team they have. For example, the chef is a wonderful man
05:13 who's also Nicolas, another Nicolas there, and where does he get the produce
05:17 that he works with? Because that's obviously critical.
05:22 That, that's the beginning. So, I thought, if we can go with him to
05:25 the market and see the relationship he has with the people who supply him with
05:29 the food. Because it all starts with the Farmers
05:33 Market, a very special one in Santa Monica.
05:36 (MUSIC) The lens I'm using on the camera is a 16 to 35, I want to be able to move quickly.
05:48 You want to see that you're in a market and you've got to have details on the
05:53 produce, but then I pull back and I want to see what is around it.
06:00 And I will make that second picture. (MUSIC) So, the strobe we're using is a
06:05 very simple strobe with a, a radio on it. I have a radio on the top of my camera
06:09 and he has a receiver on the top of the strobe.
06:12 And we make it very weak. Because it should just be a fill light.
06:16 It's not intended to overpower. And we check with the meter once or twice.
06:20 And after that, just watch that distance. Keep the distance, and move it.
06:24 And if you need to change it, okay. Acknowledge it, and you maybe have to
06:28 increase or decrease the power of the strobe.
06:30 But generally, we can work quickly like this and effectively.
06:35 Occasionally, we'll put a warm gel on it. We put that on to give it a natural look.
06:40 We don't want it to look like a flash. The purpose is just to open up the
06:44 shadows a little. Female Speaker A favor?
06:50 Can you do a, that handshake once more? Douglas: Sometimes I actually ask people
06:57 to repeat something. If I saw an instant that was perfect that
07:01 was just as they were turning and then they went away and all the elements were
07:04 in that picture. I mean it's stamped in my head but I
07:08 didn't, I knew I didn't get it. Douglas: Do it one more time if you don't mind.
07:12 Thank you. Thank you very much.
07:16 Douglas: I will occasionally say, could you just try that again.
07:20 Just lean a little more forward. We, the light was beautiful there.
07:24 The, the sun was coming in. Could you just do this a little more?
07:27 Douglas: Okay great, thank you. Douglas: I don't do it too often.
07:32 I want it all to occur in its natural form.
07:36 And never say to somebody, just act natural.
07:39 No one knows what natural is. You might say, just please forget I'm
07:43 here as much as possible. That's really what you want, and I don't
07:46 want to interfere or involve myself in taking my subject away from what he or
07:50 she's doing. I want them to live it, and I will only
07:54 occasionally, when necessary, ask for a repeat of something.
08:00 When you're doing this, you'll see me swinging around like this.
08:04 Why? Because you want to always see the faces.
08:08 Don't get the backs of heads unless you have a very distinct good reason.
08:12 You'll want to be able to watch the expressions on people.
08:15 And frankly, that is something that so frequently is overlooked.
08:19 And so that's where the strength in your pictures come from.
08:22 (FOREIGN) (MUSIC) Then we came back to the restaurant, and I wanted to see
08:32 Nicolas in the kitchen. But I watched him just as he prepared
08:41 some soup. He was doing that and I just asked him if
08:44 I could stay there with him a little. All I did was put my camera on auto-white balance.
08:51 And once I had that, I had great freedom. I found I could just concentrate on what
08:55 I was seeing happen. (NOISE) And I saw him pulled in different directions.
09:07 He was doing one thing once and he turned the other way and, this is a picture.
09:11 You feel at the time it is happening, you become a different photographer at each place.
09:16 I'm a different photographer out in the marketplace than I am in Nicolas' kitchen.
09:22 I will be quite different, because you become different people to help yourself interpret.
09:27 Douglas: Thank you. Douglas: The most important part of any
09:32 restaurant is, of course, ultimately, the food.
09:36 Basically, what I decided I should do, was really move our studio to the restaurant.
09:41 A studio's in the photographer's head, to a large degree, especially if you really
09:45 are resourceful and can make things happen.
09:48 Douglas: One of the things I was thinking about is the white just floating on.
09:51 Female Speaker 1: mm-hm. Douglas: white.
09:52 Female Speaker 1: yeah. Douglas: And that might be where we begin.
09:55 So. Douglas: One of the ideas I had was using
09:57 a sheet of plastic. We used to call it milk glass.
10:02 What I wanted to do is be able to light underneath it.
10:05 I wanted it to be able to glow, and I wanted to have control over the amount of
10:08 light coming up. Douglas: Move it a little camera-right
10:12 again, the whole light. Yep, thank you.
10:17 But tip it down so it's not hitting the glass itself if you can, please.
10:21 Douglas: We put a second light on the background against the wall.
10:25 So, we could shoot down or on an angle and still get this clean, what would
10:29 appear to make the pieces float. Douglas: Well, that's pretty nice.
10:36 Douglas: And then the remaining light, the third light, is simply a soft box on top.
10:41 Now, the next element here is you have to balance all of this.
10:45 Douglas: Take the meter and see how much light you have.
10:48 Douglas: We wanted enough light out coming through from the bottom that it
10:52 bleached it. And that was about half a stop to a stop
10:57 brighter than the light from the soft box on top.
11:02 If you had it stronger than that, you would start to get flare, or halation,
11:05 back into the lens. Douglas: (LAUGH) Food today.
11:08 It's about food. Douglas: Working with Nicolas here was
11:12 very important, because he cared, and he did it beautifully.
11:16 He wanted one picture directly above of the plate, the circular plate, and so I
11:19 did that. And it's, graphically it's interesting,
11:23 but I felt that I didn't see the food rise up enough.
11:26 It was flattened. I preferred coming down on a slight angle
11:29 to see it more as we see it at the table. The food is the star.
11:34 So, that was our first setup. (MUSIC) The next piece I, I wanted to
11:39 photograph, I was trying to get variation in the food photography.
11:46 I didn't want it to all be the same. Actually what happened when we were
11:50 putting the white down, I looked at this beautiful wood on the wall.
11:54 What a shame to be covering that. It's so beautiful, magnificent.
11:58 And then I saw a table that looked like it was part of the same structure.
12:03 I thought, let's try something where we see a light plate against a dark background.
12:09 Douglas: I'm just experimenting, that's all.
12:12 Douglas: What I had the idea of is what we call a north light look.
12:16 Creating, a very natural-looking light is coming in this one softbox.
12:21 And frankly, I had another idea. I used a tilt shift lens.
12:25 It's part of my arsenal of equipment I've had a long time.
12:30 But in this case, with a wide angle lens, when you start to look down, the two
12:35 parallel lines are no longer parallel, they tend to look like that.
12:42 I wanted to avoid that, and how do you do that?
12:45 It's the principle of the view camera. What you do is you don't the camera down.
12:49 You drop the lens down. And that way we can keep the camera's
12:53 back parallel with those lines in the wall, and then those lines do not do any moving.
13:02 Then I had another Idea. I had gotten seamless paper.
13:06 Keeping the north light sense of lighting in its simplicity.
13:11 What I did here was I turned the, this soft box off the background.
13:18 I wanted it to be shining through the glass.
13:21 I needed, what I call the flag, somebody blocking some of that light that is
13:25 shining right into the lens. And I, we could have either gotten a, a
13:29 large board and put in there. Or, it was simple enough to have, in this
13:33 case, Miranda just stand there because she, she could provide the same effect.
13:43 (MUSIC) Then I felt, frankly, this is what was going on in my mind.
13:46 I thought, I wonder if there's some more elements I could put in here.
13:50 And then I asked Miranda to put the straw in.
13:53 And, and, and once I saw her do that, I thought, that's a picture.
13:56 Douglas: Put your hand there. Yeah, that's right.
13:58 Yes, yes, yes. Okay.
14:00 Thank you. Douglas: And then the bartender came over
14:03 to provide some other pieces and he did some twists, but it was observing.
14:09 I didn't premeditate that, that those hands would have that light.
14:13 And by having it come somewhat from the back, it tended to give a wonderful edge
14:17 to the glass itself. But it's all watching, and creating.
14:22 Douglas: (MUSIC) Beautiful. Douglas: Another way of shooting, because
14:25 there are many ways you that you get different pictures.
14:29 And that's the power of your photography, telling your story.
14:34 Is, in this case, I wanted to photograph the pastry.
14:38 And frankly, what I did is I, I, I become very fundamental.
14:42 I, I think, what are the characteristics of this place?
14:45 It has these wonderful arches and I wanted to see those in the background.
14:50 I wanted to see some of the sun in the sky.
14:52 And I got a sheet of aluminum material and put it across one of the tables
14:56 because I wanted to see a reflection. And so, what I wanted to do is basically
15:01 use almost natural light entirely. I ultimately did use a little light panel
15:08 as a fill light. But most important here is what pieces
15:12 you have. What choices you make.
15:16 It started with this one piece which I had a love affair with.
15:20 And I looked at it through the camera. And then I thought where can it's other
15:24 neighbors be. I very carefully picked different tones
15:28 and I didn't want any two to be the same. I wanted different shapes.
15:32 Forms and I didn't want any one to block another.
15:35 Keep asking yourself, can this be better? And at one point I'd lost the sun.
15:41 Yes, we moved the table. We can see the sun again.
15:43 But, you try some things because you want it to be good.
15:47 That's the bottom line. Whatever you do, make it worth while.
15:58 (MUSIC) Now, I'd photographed the pastry. It looked glorious.
16:01 Where is it produced? How is it produced?
16:04 They actually have a second restaurant next door.
16:08 They produce it at their other entity, The Little Next Door.
16:12 (MUSIC) I got permission to go over there.
16:15 Went into the back and I went without an assistant.
16:19 I went with my two cameras. I had a 24 to 105 and again my 16 to 35.
16:28 I met the pastry chef, and I introduced myself.
16:31 And I got to know her as quickly as I could, just as she was going to start working.
16:36 And I asked her how long she'd been there, and she'd been there ten years.
16:41 Everybody has a story they like to tell when they can.
16:44 And that's part of you connecting quickly, if you can, with people.
16:49 And getting their cooperation. I watched her create this beautiful cake.
16:55 She started with the basic elements, she put the icing, I guess you'd call it, or
16:58 frosting on it. And then she put cookies around the side.
17:03 And she built it. And suddenly, there was another beautiful
17:06 piece of work created. But, you know, the interesting thing is,
17:09 I finished with Lisette. And then I had her hold it out for me
17:13 because this was her product. This was what she had done.
17:16 Douglas: Thank you very much, Lisette. That was wonderful.
17:23 Thank you. Douglas: In any case, we were in the back there.
17:25 We'd finished the shot we went there to do.
17:27 But what I didn't do is, I didn't want to rush out of there.
17:31 I wanted to look around as long as I could, because something else might be happening.
17:36 And indeed it was. I found a man just off the side rolling
17:40 pastry out. What was he doing?
17:42 He was preparing croissant. I saw him roll them up and put them on a
17:47 tray that was going to go into the oven. And I watched this process.
17:52 Then, I watched, over at the side where Lisette had been a few minutes earlier,
18:00 and I saw a man start drawing. And then he did several happy birthdays,
18:06 and we saw them grow. And I feel I got something quite
18:09 effective there. (MUSIC) So, my one picture of the
18:13 creation of the cake with Lisette became three pictures.
18:18 And that's again, getting the most out of everything.
18:24 (MUSIC) I felt I could understand the entire story once I had the idea of a
18:31 group photograph. These are the people that make it all happen.
18:38 It doesn't, the wheels don't turn without them.
18:42 And, once I had that idea, and I truly did believe if was probably one of the
18:46 most important pictures. All these special pictures, the
18:50 close-ups, the, the wide shots and all this, all of that is important and these
18:54 are all the building blocks. But ultimately, you need a wonderful,
18:58 sustaining piece right in the center. Douglas: What we really have to do, is
19:03 very simple. We have to get the, the chairs off the tables.
19:07 It'll just be very weak softbox, that's, that'll be it.
19:10 Douglas: Basically, it was natural light with just a, a weak fill coming to get a
19:13 little sparkle in the eyes. Keep the sense of daylight there.
19:18 Don't kill it. Don't overpower with strobe, in a case
19:22 like this. Douglas: Leave the daylight alone first.
19:24 Douglas: Okay. Douglas: C is just 2.8.
19:28 Douglas: So, I got the two brothers and I had the idea of having them stand on the table.
19:33 Because the most deadly picture you can make, the least interesting, I'll call
19:37 it, is have everybody in a line. because that's not the picture you want.
19:41 The great photographs of groups have invariably, through the years, been on
19:46 different levels. And then I, we had some what we call
19:50 apple boxes, or little boxes, so people could sit at different levels.
19:54 I wanted everybody to be, to have their own possibility, and that's part of the
19:57 fun of it. Douglas: Okay, now this is important.
20:01 This is the whole, life of this whole place.
20:03 Your energy will tell how good it is. Okay!
20:07 (INAUDIBLE) Oh, you guys are tough. Two brothers.
20:12 (INAUDIBLE) Yeah yeah yeah. Douglas: You, you build up some enthusiasm.
20:17 And so, everybody gets picked up and gets part of it.
20:20 You will get that in those two or three minutes.
20:22 Douglas: Get your hands up there Frederic.
20:27 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Douglas: But make sure, again, keep a
20:31 clear view that you don't build it up and get so enthusiastic, that you don't get
20:36 the picture. You, you should really get more than one
20:41 style picture in a situation like that. Get a, a quiet one.
20:46 And then you can have a, a dancier one if want.
20:49 Have both ideally. And that's what we were able to do here.
20:53 And the other thing that I did, after getting that one big picture, was go out
20:57 and get the two brothers out at their door.
21:01 Douglas: Yeah, just like that. Yes, yes, yes, nice.
21:04 That's beautiful. That's wonderful.
21:07 Yes. Nice, nice, nice, yes, yes, yes.
21:11 Douglas: Frankly, outside I didn't need any fill light or anything.
21:14 And they, they, it was just daylight, it was comparatively soft.
21:19 The fundamental picture for me was the brothers together.
21:22 But when you have them there, why not photograph them individually?
21:26 because they may make a statement in the story.
21:29 They're not always together. Just have more because editors frequently
21:33 need things that might not occur to you at the moment.
21:37 And that is very important. Always provide your, the, the people you
21:40 work for, with much more than they anticipated and they will be very, very happy.
21:45 But most important of all, of all is to get the core story.
21:50 What is needed, because that's where it all happens.
21:55 Douglas: Yeah, nice, nice, yes. Excellent.
21:58 Douglas: (MUSIC) Then the most important parts.
22:01 The entire Little Door really functions around what the public sees at night.
22:06 Now, the way we had to do this was to get people of our own in there.
22:11 Rather than to be, we're not going to shoot a candid shot of that restaurant at night.
22:17 We wouldn't have the control we wanted. And so what I did is I selected this area
22:22 where you'd see the effect of this arch. Then, I knew I could put two people in
22:27 the far back, but I wanted some people comparatively close to me in the
22:31 foreground because I wanted it to feel and look real.
22:37 Douglas: Now lean on the table, (UNKNOWN), if you will, and look into his eyes.
22:40 Yeah, yeah. Good girl, (UNKNOWN).
22:42 That's it, that's it. Good, good, good, good, yes, yes, yes,
22:44 yes, yes, yes. Douglas: So, what I wanted to do is make
22:49 any light that we introduced there very minimal.
22:52 So, what I did, frankly, it was, I took one of our plugin strobes.
22:57 And then I put a warm gel on it, and I bounced that off the far end of the wall.
23:02 And then I took the little LED in the front, I warmed that up.
23:08 And I made a choice that I wanted to be on a longer lens, it's a 70 to 300.
23:14 And that would allow me to get as long as I would ever need in there.
23:18 And the exposure I ended up with was a forty fifth of a second at 4.5, 4000 ISO.
23:27 Basically, our strobe and our little LED are really fill lights.
23:31 Beyond that, we're really taking the pictures with candlelight.
23:34 Douglas: (MUSIC) Hey David, put your arm around behind her, or something.
23:40 This is a nice moment. Yes, yes, yes, I love that!
23:43 I love it, I love it! Douglas: At that moment, all I could feel
23:47 is I wanted to, to convey what the bottom line is.
23:51 What you feel, what a person feels when they go in there.
23:56 It's a world of elegance, and that's what you are in.
24:00 And that's when I wanted to portray and was able to.
24:04 Male Speaker 1: Cool. Douglas: It really looks glamours and
24:06 beautiful and warm. Douglas: This is a true communication and
24:09 expression of how I feel. And this is why it makes a perfect story.
24:14 It's all there. Piece by piece put together.
24:17 Female Speaker 2: (MUSIC) Is that a wrap? Douglas: That's a wrap.
24:20 Well done, everyone. Douglas: I've been telling different
24:22 stories for more than 50 years. It's, it's a long time, but it's been
24:26 wonderful and I still feel as much passion and enthusiasm today as ever.
24:38 (MUSIC) If you are the photographer, just consider what your possibilities are, and
24:41 always make it good. Because frankly, if you keep reaching,
24:44 you'll probably get to places you didn't even know you could get to.
24:48 That is special, and that is why I am a photographer.
24:52 (MUSIC)
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The golden age of photojournalism
00:02 Douglas: Telling stories whether it's with your camera or with your words is a
00:06 great form of expression, I think we all like to do that.
00:11 Douglas: Ultimately, for me, it's the camera.
00:16 Douglas: I was hired at Look Magazine in 1960.
00:19 Douglas: And from that point on, I learned how my camera could, strange
00:23 thing to say, but could literally talk. Douglas: I think everybody's camera can
00:29 if they allow themselves to see what's there, and make choices.
00:34 Douglas: You really communicate with your camera.
00:38 Douglas: Photojournalism in the 60s was glorious.
00:52 Douglas: I was called the Director of Photography at Look.
00:55 Douglas: I was hired in July of 1960 and it was a very energetic time for
00:59 photography and it was a great place to be.
01:03 Douglas: And frankly, I grew up there. Douglas: I traveled with writers, I, my
01:07 life changed a great deal. Douglas: And I was exposed to all sorts
01:11 of opportunities. Douglas: For example, Coco Chanel she had
01:14 a great influence on me because I was given an assignment to go to Paris and,
01:19 she didn't trust me. Douglas: Who was Douglas Kirkland from
01:23 New York, from this magazine Look? Douglas: Look was important, but Douglas Kirkland.
01:29 Douglas: so what she made me, or asked me to do, insisted that I do was to
01:33 photograph some of her fashion. Douglas: So I went out with her models
01:38 and photographed them. Douglas: Some of them right at the place
01:42 she worked and on the Rue Cabal. Douglas: In Paris, and then, oh, I also
01:46 went over the near the Louvre and used that as a background.
01:50 Douglas: She not only asked me, she insisted I have that developed and come
01:54 show her what I could do. Douglas: She carefully looked through
01:59 them, and I, I was, like, hat in hand there, and she, she liked what she saw,
02:02 and she gave me a green light to do whatever I would like.
02:07 Douglas: She opened her life to me with a great deal of intimacy, and I used my
02:12 camera to record this. Douglas: Now I was trying to really
02:18 understand what my camera could do, and for example, one picture that's used a
02:22 great deal is where she's working with her hands.
02:26 Douglas: And that was the power. Douglas: And I came in close up on that.
02:30 Douglas: This was part of telling the story.
02:34 Douglas: I want to tell you about working on a special issue on Japan that I did.
02:40 Douglas: I was given approximately a month to do an entire issue of the magazine.
02:44 Douglas: We went to Hiroshima, and we spent time with a family that had
02:48 survived the atom bomb. Douglas: A young man who was a protestor,
02:54 and I went with him to demonstrations, and we were tear gassed and everything
02:58 and wore helmets. Douglas: But I still had to have a cover.
03:03 Douglas: And one day we were on the bullet train going back to Tokyo from
03:08 where we'd, we'd been, and I, I saw some, some great graphics on a wall.
03:15 Douglas: So, I got my interpreter to find a place where we could get this symbol
03:20 painted, that meant Japan or home. Douglas: And so, then we got two, two
03:25 kids, which we got from a modeling agency, believe it or not, and got the
03:28 little kids to sit on the curb side, and put that behind them.
03:33 Douglas: There was our cover. Douglas: So, there is resolving a
03:37 problem, an entire issue, and you need something that is going to be graphically strong.
03:43 Douglas: But also, it tells what is in this issue.
03:46 (MUSIC)
03:46
59:59 (MUSIC).
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Telling a story of a person
00:00 Douglas: Where good storytelling begins is really thinking about the subject that
00:06 you're with. That's really the difference between
00:09 taking pictures and really telling a story.
00:12 And of course it should be telling in, information, it's not just about making a
00:15 pretty picture, each picture should have a meaning to it.
00:20 Because the individual out in front of you, and what you're doing, that's what's
00:25 important, and that's where your story is really going to come from.
00:30 (MUSIC) What I'd like to do now, is tell you about a story I've wanted to do, and
00:34 I've just completed. My wife and I, Francoise and I, don't go
00:39 out to restaurants very much, but when we go out there's always one place we go to.
00:45 It's where a couple of friends of her's have created a restaurant, Nicholas and
00:49 Frederique and they are two brothers who have a wonderful restaurant called the
00:54 Little Door. We thought about this very carefully
00:59 before launching into this project because what you have to have is clear
01:03 idea of what you're trying to say, and what is that?
01:09 It's the story of why this place works, it works very well, and what are the
01:13 elements that make it work, and who are the people that make it work, it's not
01:17 just one individual, it's the team they have.
01:21 For example, the chef is a wonderful man who is also Nicholas, another Nicholas there.
01:27 And where does he get the produce that he works with?
01:30 Because that's obviously critical. That, that's the beginning.
01:33 So I thought if we can go with him to the market and see the relationship he has
01:37 with the people who supply him with the food, because it all starts with a
01:41 farmer's market, a very special one in Santa Monica.
01:46 (MUSIC) The lens I'm using on the camera is a 16 to 35.
01:56 I want to be able to move quickly. You want to see that you're in a market,
02:00 and you've got to have details on the produce, but then I pull back and I want
02:05 to see what is around it, and I will make that second picture.
02:14 So the strobe we're using is a very simple strobe with a, a radio on it.
02:18 I have a radio on the top of my camera, and he has a receiver on the top of his strobe.
02:22 And we make it very weak because it, it should just be a fill light.
02:25 It's not intended to over power. And we check with the meter once or twice.
02:31 And after that, just watch that distance. Keep the distance and move it.
02:34 And if you need to change it. Okay.
02:36 Acknowledge it. And you maybe have to increase or
02:39 decrease the power of the strobe, but generally, we can work quickly like this
02:43 and effectively. Occasionally we put a warm gel on it.
02:47 We put that on to give it a natural look. We don't want it to look like a flash.
02:52 The purpose is just to open up the shadows a little.
02:55 Douglas: (INAUDIBLE) Can you do, can you do that handshake once more?
03:05 (SOUND) Sometimes I actually ask people to repeat something.
03:09 If I saw an instant that was perfect that just they were turning and then they went
03:12 away and all the elements were in that picture.
03:16 I mean, it's stamped in my head, but I didn't, I knew I didn't get it.
03:20 Do it one more time if you don't mind. Thank you, thank you very much.
03:26 I will occasionally say, could you, just, try that again, just a little more forward.
03:31 We, the light was beautiful there, the sun was coming in.
03:35 Could you just do this a little more? Okay, great, thank you.
03:40 I don't do it too often. I want it all to occur in its natural form.
03:46 And never say to somebody, just act natural.
03:49 No one knows what natural is. You might say, just please forget I'm
03:52 here as much as possible, that's really what you want.
03:55 And I don't want to interfere, or involve myself in taking my subject away from
03:59 what he or she is doing. I want them to live it.
04:04 And I will only occasionally when necessary ask for a repeat of something.
04:10 When you're doing this you'll see me swinging around like this.
04:13 Why? Because you want to always see the faces.
04:18 Don't get the backs of heads unless you have a very distinct good reason.
04:22 You want to be able to watch the expressions on people.
04:25 And frankly, that is something that so frequently is overlooked.
04:29 And so that's where the strength in your pictures come from.
04:32 Male Speaker 1: (FOREIGN). Douglas: Then we came back to the
04:38 restaurant and I wanted to see Nicholas in the kitchen.
04:48 But I watched him just as he prepared some soup.
04:52 He was doing that, and I just asked him if I could stay there with him a little.
04:56 All I did was put my camera on, on a white balance.
05:00 And once I had that, I had great freedom. I found I could just concentrate on what
05:05 I was seeing happen. (NOISE) And I saw him pull in different
05:15 directions, he was doing one thing once and he turned the other way.
05:19 This is a picture you feel at the time that it's happening.
05:23 You become a different photographer in each place.
05:25 I'm a different photographer out in the marketplace, than I am in Nicholas's kitchen.
05:31 I will be quite different, because, you become different people, to help yourself interpret.
05:37 Douglas: Thank you. Male Speaker 2: Welcome.
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Food photography on location
00:00 Male Speaker 1: Being, being a very rectangular state, I will.
00:02 Douglas: The most important part of any restaurant is, of course, ultimately the food.
00:07 Basically, what I decided I should do was really move our studio to the restaurant.
00:13 A studio's in the photographer's head to a large degree, especially if you really
00:16 are resourceful and can make things happen.
00:19 One of the things I was thinking of was the white, just floating on white.
00:23 Female Speaker 1: Mm-hm. Yeah.
00:24 Douglas: That might be where we begin. So one of the ideas I had was using a
00:29 sheet of plastic. We used to call it milk glass.
00:34 What I wanted to do is be able to light underneath it.
00:37 I want it to be able to glow and I want to have control over the amount of light
00:40 coming up. Move it a little camera-right again, the
00:48 whole light. Yep.
00:50 Thank you. But tip it down so it's not hitting the
00:51 glass itself if you can, please. We put a second light on the background
00:55 against the wall, so we could shoot down or on an angle, and still get this clean,
00:59 what would appear to make the pieces float.
01:04 That's pretty nice and the remaining light, the third light, is simply a soft
01:10 box on top. Now the next element here, is you have to
01:14 balance all of this. Take the meter and see how much light you have.
01:21 We want enough light on coming through from the bottom to bleach it.
01:25 And, that was about a half a stop to a stop brighter than the light from the
01:30 softbox on top. If you had it stronger than that, you'd
01:35 start to get flare, or hellation, back into the lens.
01:39 Douglas: (CROSSTALK) Working with Nicola here was very important, because he
01:43 cared, and he did it beautifully He wanted one picture directly above of the
01:47 plate, the circular plate. And so I did that.
01:52 And it's, graphically it's interesting, but I felt that I didn't see the food
01:56 rise up enough. It was flat.
01:59 I preferred coming down on a slight angle to see it more as we see it on the table.
02:04 Food was the star. So that was our first setup.
02:12 The next piece, I wanted to photograph. I was trying to get variation in the food photography.
02:17 I didn't want it all to be the same. Actually what happen, when we were
02:21 putting the white down, I looked at this beautiful wood on the wall and what a
02:25 shame to be covering that. It's so beautiful, magnificent and then I
02:29 saw a table. That, that looked like it was part of the
02:33 same structure. I thought, let's try something where we
02:37 see a light plate against a dark background.
02:42 I'm just experimenting, that's all. What I had the idea of is what we call a
02:45 north light look, creating a very natural-looking light that's coming in.
02:51 This one softbox and frankly, I had another idea.
02:55 I used a tilt shift lens. It's part of my arsenal of equipment.
03:02 I've had it a long time. But in this case, with a wide angle lens
03:06 when you start to look down, the two parallel lines are no longer parallel.
03:12 They tend to look like that. I wanted to avoid that.
03:15 And how do you that? It's the principle of the view camera.
03:18 Whatcha do is you don't turn the camera down.
03:21 You drop the lens down and that way we can keep the cameras back parallel with
03:25 those lines in the wall and then those lines do not do any moving.
03:34 Then I had another idea. I had gotten seamless paper.
03:38 Keeping the north light sense of lighting and it's simplicity.
03:42 What I did here, was I turned the, the soft box off the background.
03:49 I wanted it to be shining through the glass.
03:52 I needed what I called a flag, somebody blocking some of that light that's
03:56 shining right into the lens. And I, we could have either gotten a
04:01 large board and put in there, or it was simple enough, in this case Miranda just
04:07 stand there because she could provide the same effect.
04:15 (MUSIC) Then I felt, frankly, this is what was going on in my mind.
04:18 I thought, I wonder if there's some elements I could put in here.
04:22 And then I asked Miranda to put the straw in it, and once I saw her do that, that's
04:25 a picture. And then the bartender came over to
04:30 provide some other pieces and he did some twists.
04:39 but it was observing. I didn't premeditate that those hands
04:42 would have that light and by having it come somewhat from the back, it tended to
04:46 give a wonderful edge to the glass itself.
04:51 But it's all watching and creating. Beautiful.
04:58 Another way of shooting because there are many ways that you get different
05:01 pictures, and that's the power of your photography, telling your story, is in
05:05 this case I wanted to photograph the pastry, and frankly, what I did is I, I,
05:09 I'd become very fundamentally, I think what are the characteristics of this place.
05:17 It has these wonderful arches, and I wanted to see those in the background.
05:21 I wanted to see some of the sun and the sky, and I got a sheet of aluminum
05:25 material and put it across one of the tables because I wanted to see a reflection.
05:31 And so, what I wanted to do is basically, use almost natural light entirely I
05:36 ultimately did you a little light panel as a fill light but most important here,
05:41 is what pieces you have, what choices you make.
05:47 It started with this one piece, which I had a love affair with and I looked at it
05:51 through the camera and then I thought, where can it's other neighbors.
05:57 I very carefully picked different tones, and I didn't want any two to be the same.
06:02 I wanted different shapes, forms and I didn't want any one to block another.
06:07 Keep asking yourself, can this be better. And at one point I'd lost sun.
06:12 Yes, we moved the table. We could see the sun again.
06:14 Yet but you try things because you want it to be good that's the bottom line
06:18 whatever you do make it worthwhile.
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Getting the most out of your story
00:03 Douglas: I photographed the pastry, it looked glorious.
00:06 Where is it produced? How is it produced?
00:09 They actually have a second restaurant, next door.
00:13 They produce it at their other entity, the Little Next Door.
00:18 I got permission to go over there, went into the back, and I went without an assistant.
00:24 I went with my two cameras. I had a 24 to 105 and again my 16 to 35.
00:33 I met the pastry chef and I introduced myself and I got to know her as quickly
00:37 as I could just as she was going to start working and I asked her how long she'd
00:41 been there, and she'd been there 10 years.
00:46 Everybody has a story they like to tell when they can.
00:49 And that's part of you connecting quickly if you can with people and getting their cooperation.
00:54 I watched her create this beautiful cake. She started with the basic elements.
01:02 She put the icing I guess you'd call it, or frosting on it.
01:05 And then she put cookies around the side and she built it and suddenly there was
01:09 another beautiful piece of work created. But, you know, the interesting this is I
01:14 finished with Lisette and then I had her hold it out for me, because this was her product.
01:20 This is what she had done. Douglas: Thank you very much, Lisette.
01:23 That was wonderful. Thank you.
01:27 Douglas: In any case, we were in the back there.
01:29 We finished the shot we went there to do, but what I didn't do, is I didn't want to
01:33 rush out of there. I wanted to look around as long as I
01:38 could because something else might be happening.
01:41 And indeed it was. I found a man just off the side rolling
01:45 pastry out. What was he doing?
01:47 He was preparing croissants. I saw him roll them up and put them on a
01:51 tray that was going to go into the oven. And I watched this process.
01:57 Then I watched over at the side where Lisette had been a few minutes earlier
02:04 and I saw a man start drawing. And then he did several happy birthdays,
02:11 and we saw them grow, and I feel I got someone quite effective there.
02:17 So my one picture of the creation of the cake with Lisette became three pictures,
02:22 and that's again getting the most out of everything.
02:28
59:59 (MUSIC).
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Working with groups and individuals
00:00 (MUSIC).
00:02 Douglas: I felt I could understand the entire story once I had the idea of a
00:07 group photograph.
00:10 (MUSIC).
00:13 These are the people that make it all happen.
00:16 It doesn't, the wheels don't turn without them.
00:19 And, once I had that idea, and I, I truly did believe it was probably one of the
00:23 most important pictures. All these special pictures, the
00:28 close-ups, the, the wide shots and all this.
00:30 All that is important, and these are all the building blocks, but ultimately you
00:34 need a wonderful sustaining piece right in the center.
00:39 What we really have to do is very simple. We have to get the chairs off the tables.
00:44 It will just be very weak soft box. That will be it.
00:48 Basically, it was natural light with just a weak filler coming to get a little
00:52 sparkle in the eyes, keep the sense of daylight there.
00:56 Don't kill it. Don't overpower it with strobe in a case
00:59 like this. Read the daylight alone first.
01:02 Female Speaker 1: Okay. (UNKNOWN) is 2.8.
01:05 Douglas: So I got the two brothers, and I had the idea of having them stand on the
01:08 table, because the most deadly picture you can make, the least interesting I'll
01:12 call it, is have everybody on a line. because that's not the picture you want.
01:19 The great photographs of groups have invariably, through the years, been on
01:23 different levels. And then I, we had some, what we call
01:27 apple boxes or little boxes, so people could sit at different levels.
01:31 I wanted everybody to be, to have their own possibility, and that's part of the
01:35 fun of it. Okay, now, this is important.
01:38 This is the life of this whole place. Your energy will tell how good it is.
01:44 Okay, go ahead! (CROSSTALK).
01:47 Douglas: Oh you guys on top, two brothers, (UNKNOWN).
01:50 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You build up some enthusiasm.
01:54 And so, everybody gets picked up, and it gets part of it, you will get that in
02:00 those two or three minutes. (NOISE) Get your hands up there, pretty.
02:08 Okay , (INAUDIBLE). Douglas: But make sure, again, keep a
02:11 clear view that you don't build it up and get so enthusiastic that you don't get
02:15 the picture. You're, you should really get more than
02:19 one style of picture in a situation like that.
02:22 Get a quiet one, and then you can have a, a dancier one if you want.
02:27 Have both, ideally. And that's what we were able to do here.
02:30 And the other thing that I did, after getting that one big picture, was go out
02:35 and get the two brothers out at their door.
02:39 Douglas: Yeah, just like that. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
02:41 Nice. Yes.
02:42 That's beautiful. That's wonderful.
02:44 Yes. Nice, nice, nice, nice, nice, yes.
02:47 Douglas: Frankly, outside, I didn't need any fill light or anything.
02:52 The, the, it was just daylight. It was comparatively soft.
02:56 The fundamental picture for me was the brothers together.
03:00 But when you have them there, why not photograph them individually, because
03:03 they may make a statement in the story. They're not always together.
03:07 Just have more, because editors frequently need things that might not
03:11 occur to you at the moment, and that is very important.
03:16 Always provide your, the, the people you work for with much more than they
03:19 anticipated, and they will be very, very happy.
03:23 But most important of all is to get the core story, what is needed, because
03:27 that's where it all happens. (MUSIC) Yes, nice, nice, yes.
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Creating a scene
00:00 (MUSIC).
00:02 Douglas: Then the most important parts, the entire little door, really functions
00:06 around what the public sees at night. Now, the way we had to do this was to get
00:14 people of our own in there rather than to be, we're not going to shoot a candid
00:17 shot of that restaurant tonight; we wouldn't have the control we wanted.
00:24 And, so what I did is i selected this area where you'd see the effect of this arch.
00:29 Then, I knew I could put two people in the far back, but I wanted some people
00:33 comparatively close to me in the foreground, because I wanted it to feel
00:36 and look real. Lean on the table, uuu, if you will, and
00:40 look into his eyes. Get a little closer, yes that's it,
00:43 that's it. Good, good, good, good, good, yes, yes,
00:46 yes, yes, yes. So, what I wanted to do is make any light
00:49 that we introduced there very minimal. So what I did frankly was I took one of
00:56 our plug-in strobes, and then I put a warm gel on it, and I bounced that off
01:00 the far end of the wall. And then I took the little LED in the
01:06 front, I warmed that up, and I made a choice that I wanted a, you know, a
01:10 longer lens. It's a 70 to 300, and that would allow me
01:15 to get as long as I would ever need in there.
01:20 And the exposure I ended up with was a 45th of a second at 4.5.
01:27 4000 ISO. Basically our strobe and our little LED
01:31 are really fill lights. Beyond that, we're really taking our
01:35 pictures with candle light. Hey David, put your arm around behind her
01:40 or something. This is a nice moment.
01:44 Yes, yes, yes, I love that. I love it, I love it.
01:47 At that moment, all I could feel is I wanted to, to convey what the bottom line
01:52 is, what you feel, what a person feels when they go in there.
01:58 It's a world of elegance, and that's what you were in.
02:02 And that's what I wanted to portray and was able to.
02:06 Male Speaker 1: Cool. Douglas: It really looks glamorous and
02:08 beautiful and warm and... This is a true communication and
02:12 expression of how I feel. And that's why this makes a.perfect story.
02:16 It's all there, piece by piece, put together.
02:19 That's a wrap well done everyone. I've been telling different stories for
02:25 more than 50 years. Its a long time, but its been wonderful
02:29 and I still feel as much passion and enthusiasm today as ever.
02:40 (MUSIC) If you're the photographer, just consider what your possibilities are, and
02:43 always make it good, because frankly, if you keep reaching, you will probably get
02:47 to places you didn't even know you could get to.
02:50 That is special. And that is why I am a photographer.
02:56 (MUSIC)
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About the Author
Meet Douglas Kirkland
00:00(music playing)
00:06I grew up in a small town in Canada, only seven thousand people.
00:11The first picture I ever took was taken with a box camera, a Brownie box camera,
00:16and I remember pushing it into my chest, ten years of age at the time, and
00:20pushing that device down, and it went "clunk."
00:22I got the buzz right then, and it's never stopped since.
00:27Now Speed Graphic was the camera of the time, and if you had this in your hand,
00:34as a young man, I have to tell you, you really felt you were hot.
00:38Turn this way, that way.
00:40I mean that was a charge like nothing else.
00:45I got a call from Look magazine, and I was basically hired to shoot fashion, and
00:52I was the new generation.
00:54I was in my mid-twenties. The year was 1960.
00:58And then my boss in New York called me and he said, "We'd like you to go Las
01:02Vegas with our movie editor because Elizabeth Taylor, who hasn't been
01:06photographed or had a story done on her for about two or three years now, has
01:11said she will give us an interview."
01:12I sat quietly in the back of the room as the journalist interviewed her, and I
01:19went up to her at the end and I took her hand and I said, "Elizabeth, I am new
01:25with this magazine," looking straight here straight in the eye, just like I am
01:29you, "could you imagine what it would mean to me if you would give me an
01:33opportunity to photograph you?"
01:35I was holding her hand still. Pause.
01:37She probably thought she was never going to be released, and then she said,
01:44"Okay, come tomorrow night at 8:30."
01:47To make a long story short, I did, and I got pictures that ended up really
01:53starting my career of photographing celebrities.
01:56I had the cover of Look magazine, my first cover, and from then it was like an
02:01explosion of possibilities.
02:04This camera is the one that I actually used to photograph Marilyn Monroe, this
02:08very camera, this 500C.
02:11We went to visit her in her Hollywood home.
02:14It was this camera, myself, Marilyn, a wonderful photo session that went on for
02:19about three or four hours.
02:21I feel a great attachment to this.
02:22I have been very careful to hold on to my images.
02:29Ever since then, I was always able to keep my pictures, so that's why I have all
02:32these books, fifteen in all at the moment, I believe.
02:36I am best known for my work around entertainment, and these are work from the movies.
02:41They are different times, different places.
02:44I have worked on one hundred and sixty films in all, by our last count.
02:50For me, one of the most significant and important areas of working with people
02:55is to know your subject, feel sympathetic toward them.
02:59You have to feel that I care about you, and I do. Boy do I ever!
03:04Because I know that what you have in you is going to make a great image, and
03:09honestly, you can have any lens in the world or any type of camera, but if you
03:14don't have a subject who's connecting with you, your chances are substantially
03:18reduced of getting a good image.
03:22I learned from a lot of different sources and resources, certainly, and
03:27photography in the early days and later on with computers.
03:30I asked a lot of people a lot of questions, and I had a lot of wonderful people help me.
03:35And frankly, years ago, somebody gave me a lesson that I've really held on to,
03:40and I feel this way very strongly:
03:43do the same for somebody else.
03:46When you receive something good, just pass it along, and I hope that you get out
03:51of this something special, and I am trying to pass it along to you. I care about it.
03:56I hope you do.
03:57(music playing)
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