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Working with a CMYK photo

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Video: Working with a CMYK photo

New to Lightroom 3 is the ability to import and actually work on CMYK files, and this is a welcome new feature, because in the previous versions we couldn't really access CMYK, or even organize or recognize these files, and this is helpful, because many of us convert our files to CMYK. In this movie we're going to dig into working with CMYK files, because Lightroom can't actually make CMYK adjustments. So we need to get a handle on how this actually works, and whether or not you use CMYK, you're going to find in this movie some helpful tips that will clarify how you begin to work between Photoshop and Lightroom, in regards to editing layer documents in Photoshop.

Working with a CMYK photo

New to Lightroom 3 is the ability to import and actually work on CMYK files, and this is a welcome new feature, because in the previous versions we couldn't really access CMYK, or even organize or recognize these files, and this is helpful, because many of us convert our files to CMYK. In this movie we're going to dig into working with CMYK files, because Lightroom can't actually make CMYK adjustments. So we need to get a handle on how this actually works, and whether or not you use CMYK, you're going to find in this movie some helpful tips that will clarify how you begin to work between Photoshop and Lightroom, in regards to editing layer documents in Photoshop.

All right, well, here we have this layered CMYK file. I want to edit this one in Photoshop, so I press Command+E on a Mac, Ctrl+E on a PC and select Edit Original. We've seen this before, right? We'll click Edit. This will open up the layered doc in Photoshop. Let's zoom in a little bit on it, and here we can see the before and then the after, and this image has been retouched in one of my other training titles on portrait retouching. You can see that this file is a CMYK document. Well, let's say that we come back to Photoshop; we want to make some more adjustments here in the CMYK space.

In this case I click on Hue/ Saturation, and I decide that I want to change the color of the dress. I grab the Target Adjustment tool, sample one of these colors and then make an adjustment. Now if the adjustment isn't perfect, what we can do is zoom in, grab the eyedropper with the plus icon and then just get a little bit more of the color there. Now the point here isn't to teach how to make this adjustment, but rather, to illustrate that what we're doing now is an adjustment in the CMYK space.

Once we've made this adjustment, we'll save - on a Mac that's Command+S, on a PC that's Ctrl+S - and then we're going to close the document. Now back in Lightroom, what we're going to see is this change that we've made. Let's say that in Lightroom we decide, you know what, I really want to change the background color. So we go to the Develop module. We open up our HSL panel. Again, the intent here isn't to teach workflow, but to get us to begin to think about some of the considerations we need to have when working with files between Lightroom and Photoshop.

I'm in the Hue options and I click on the Adjustment tool, and I'm going to go ahead and click and drag down to change the background color. All right, well, I've made changes in two different places, in Lightroom and in Photoshop. At this juncture, let's go back to Library module just to get out of that Develop mode, what's going to happen when we edit this file inside of Photoshop? Inside of Lightroom, we haven't made any CMYK changes; rather, it's almost like we had the CMYK file and then on top of that file we actually layered an adjustment, which is in this Lightroom RGB type of a space.

So you can't do CMYK work in Lightroom, but we can modify a CMYK image, kind of interesting. All right, well, let's take a look at what will happen when we edit this file in Photoshop. If I press Command+E on a Mac, Ctrl+E on PC, I have a few options. Now the bottom two options don't allow me to see any adjustments made inside of Lightroom. So if I Edit the original - let's try that one - what we're going to see is the background color as it was created inside of Photoshop, and yes, we have this little layer adjustment here.

Okay, well interesting. Let's close that and go back to Lightroom. Back in Lightroom, Command+ E on a Mac, Ctrl+E on a PC. What about these two options where we can edit a copy? We can edit one as a copy without any Lightroom adjustments. Again, it's similar to editing the original, except we're duplicating the file. In other words it just says, hey, give me another version of the file, anything I've done in Lightroom ignore, pretend it doesn't exist. All right, well, what about the third option? Here we can choose to edit a copy with the Lightroom adjustments.

So in this case, when I click Edit, what I'm going to see is that I have a new document with this different background color that was changed inside of Lightroom, but in this particular case the image has been flattened. I no longer have access to all of those other layers. You'll also notice, if I expand this a little bit, that this is in this RGB color space. In other words, it took something that was CMYK, it then converted it to this Lightroom type of space, which is very similar to Pro Photo.

It's an RGB type of a space, and then it applied all of the different adjustments, flattened the file and opened up the new document. So a couple of points here. Let's close this file for a moment and head back to Lightroom. One of the things that we're beginning to see is that we can at least recognize CMYK files. We can edit those files in Photoshop; work on all the layers, make changes as needed. Yet when we start to process these CMYK files inside of Lightroom, we're going to lose some flexibility. In other words, we're going to lose all of our layers, and we're going to also lose that CMYK space.

The image will, by default, be converted to a new space. All right, well, let's see if we can make this process a little bit more clear. For starters, we talked about having a CMYK file in Lightroom. That's something that we can do, and then from there we progressed to editing the original file from Lightroom, we open it up in Photoshop, and we made a color change. We made some kind of change in the CMYK color space, and then finally we brought this image back to Lightroom, where we made yet another type of change. Well, how can we think about these changes? Well, the first two kind of respected the CMYK color space.

Lightroom didn't really change anything. It recognized the file. We then edited the file in Photoshop, again in the CMYK space, but once we went back to Lightroom, we made another type of change, this Lightroom space which some call Lightroom RGB. It's close to Pro Photo. What happened is is that new color space trumped, or took over, or replaced what was previously CMYK. So then once we had this image, which has been processed this way, we took a look at how we could then open this up from Lightroom into Photoshop in a couple of different ways.

We had our three options, edit as a copy with adjustments, or just a copy, or original. So what we could do is if we edit this as a copy with adjustments, when we open this up we're going to see this file - it's going to be flat - with all of the adjustments that we've made. In other words, Lightroom kind of trumps all and takes over flattens the file, and it's now in this sRGB type of a space. On the other hand, if we had chosen Edit as a copy, what that would do is duplicate the file. It wouldn't show us anything we've done in Lightroom, and it would stay in CMYK, And then the other option was edit the original, and again - wouldn't show anything we've done in Lightroom, would simply open up the file, and we'd see all of those different Photoshop layers that we've created, and again the file would remain in the CMYK color space.

All right, well, in closing, I hope that this movie and these extra little slides will help make this topic a little bit more clear for you, as you progress deeper into learning how to work between Photoshop and Lightroom.

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  1. 2m 56s
    1. Welcome
      1m 52s
    2. Using the exercise files
      1m 4s
  2. 17m 59s
    1. Creative tip: Using Lightroom
      1m 31s
    2. An overview of Lightroom
      3m 53s
    3. Photographic workflow puzzle
      2m 36s
    4. Why use Lightroom?
      6m 25s
    5. Lightroom and Photoshop
      3m 34s
  3. 29m 34s
    1. The Lightroom interface
      3m 19s
    2. Essential interface shortcuts
      4m 50s
    3. Using the interface shortcuts
      5m 4s
    4. Customizing the identity plate and module pickers
      2m 41s
    5. Using a graphic identity plate
      4m 44s
    6. Changing the panel end marks
      2m 12s
    7. Creating a custom panel end mark
      2m 54s
    8. Changing the image background
      1m 46s
    9. Modifying other interface preferences
      2m 4s
  4. 49m 43s
    1. Importing and file formats
      4m 35s
    2. Importing preferences
      2m 36s
    3. Introducing the Import dialog
      6m 27s
    4. Catalog, import, and preview preferences
      6m 40s
    5. Importing photos from a folder
      5m 44s
    6. Creating a metadata preset
      4m 45s
    7. Importing photos from a CF card
      9m 16s
    8. Using Auto Import
      3m 53s
    9. Using multiple hard drives
      4m 14s
    10. Creative tip: Discard
      1m 33s
  5. 11m 17s
    1. Introducing tethered shooting
      3m 46s
    2. Working with tethered shooting
      7m 31s
  6. 40m 30s
    1. Working in Grid view and Loupe view
      3m 0s
    2. Navigating and zooming
      5m 14s
    3. Shortcuts in Loupe view and Grid view
      1m 39s
    4. Customizing Loupe view and Grid view
      2m 46s
    5. Comparing two images
      4m 55s
    6. Surveying multiple images
      5m 20s
    7. Working with the toolbar in Grid view and Loupe view
      3m 58s
    8. Working with folders and files in the Library module
      6m 25s
    9. Using dual monitors
      7m 13s
  7. 27m 28s
    1. Introducing catalogs
      4m 27s
    2. Working with catalogs
      3m 19s
    3. Exporting catalogs
      1m 44s
    4. Updating legacy catalogs
      3m 2s
    5. The relationship between the raw and DNG catalogs
      3m 8s
    6. Working with raw files in Lightroom
      3m 53s
    7. Working with DNG files in Lightroom
      6m 5s
    8. Creative tip: Using the right gear
      1m 50s
  8. 9m 43s
    1. Using Quick Develop in the Library module
      2m 37s
    2. Synchronizing processing settings across multiple images
      3m 32s
    3. Making incremental adjustments
      1m 45s
    4. Applying white balance and auto tone adjustments
      1m 49s
  9. 35m 28s
    1. Introducing flags, stars, and labels
      5m 0s
    2. Working with flags, stars, and labels
      6m 34s
    3. Adding images to a Quick Collection
      2m 11s
    4. Integrating collections with your workflow
      5m 13s
    5. Grouping images with collections
      3m 7s
    6. Using Smart Collections
      4m 39s
    7. Sorting images
      3m 0s
    8. Renaming images
      2m 1s
    9. Stacking images
      3m 43s
  10. 18m 44s
    1. Adding keywords
      4m 51s
    2. Working with the keyword list
      2m 51s
    3. Synchronizing keywords
      2m 26s
    4. Keywording with the spray can
      1m 48s
    5. Working with the Metadata panel
      3m 58s
    6. Adding copyright metadata
      2m 50s
  11. 17m 46s
    1. Filtering overview
      3m 49s
    2. Locking library filter options
      1m 38s
    3. Filtering based on text
      2m 0s
    4. Filtering by metadata
      6m 13s
    5. Filtering your photos using the Metadata panel
      2m 7s
    6. New filtering criteria in Lightroom 3
      1m 59s
  12. 45m 24s
    1. Exporting images
      6m 19s
    2. Export quality and watermark options
      2m 3s
    3. Exporting movies
      5m 13s
    4. External editing preferences and considerations
      2m 56s
    5. Editing preferences
      5m 6s
    6. Editing photos in Photoshop
      5m 4s
    7. Opening an image as a Smart Object in Photoshop
      3m 30s
    8. Including multiple images in Photoshop as layers
      2m 16s
    9. Merging multiple images in Photoshop
      3m 34s
    10. Creating a panorama
      2m 20s
    11. Working with a CMYK photo
      7m 3s
  13. 15m 37s
    1. Setting up Flickr services
      3m 45s
    2. Uploading photos to Flickr
      3m 35s
    3. Working with comments
      1m 49s
    4. Publishing to a folder
      5m 38s
    5. Creative tip: Visual poetry
      50s
  14. 39m 26s
    1. Develop module overview
      5m 45s
    2. Working with legacy Lightroom files
      3m 46s
    3. Comparing the before and after
      2m 33s
    4. Resetting images to their default settings
      2m 24s
    5. Using the Develop module presets
      3m 10s
    6. Using Snapshot and History
      5m 10s
    7. Using the Histogram
      4m 6s
    8. Working with collections
      4m 25s
    9. Introducing virtual copies
      2m 22s
    10. Creating virtual copies
      2m 46s
    11. Introducing the Develop module tool strip
      2m 59s
  15. 50m 0s
    1. Understanding white balance and color temperature
      3m 10s
    2. Correcting white balance with a ColorChecker
      3m 11s
    3. Using the White Balance tool
      2m 36s
    4. Creative uses of white balance
      3m 47s
    5. Demystifying the tone controls
      3m 39s
    6. Using the tone controls
      3m 45s
    7. Recovering detail in highlights
      2m 29s
    8. Working with vibrance and saturation
      4m 11s
    9. Making color adjustments with the Vibrance and Saturation sliders
      4m 28s
    10. Creative uses of vibrance and saturation
      3m 12s
    11. Understanding clarity
      3m 20s
    12. Working with clarity
      3m 51s
    13. The standard Basic panel workflow
      4m 4s
    14. Synchronizing basic settings across multiple images
      4m 17s
  16. 23m 58s
    1. Creative tip: Why crop?
      1m 50s
    2. Cropping an image
      4m 18s
    3. Straightening with the Crop tool
      3m 51s
    4. Working with the Crop Overlay tool
      3m 18s
    5. Changing the aspect ratio of an image
      1m 38s
    6. Auditioning different aspect ratios
      1m 56s
    7. Quickly changing crop orientation
      1m 49s
    8. Using Crop to improve a composition
      5m 18s
  17. 11m 16s
    1. Retouching with the Spot Removal tool
      5m 43s
    2. Retouching away dust on a lens
      3m 22s
    3. Fixing red-eye
      2m 11s
  18. 22m 59s
    1. Introducing the Graduated filter
      4m 37s
    2. Darkening a sky with the Graduated filter
      4m 31s
    3. Enhancing a landscape with the Graduated filter
      3m 33s
    4. Improving a portrait with the Graduated filter
      5m 14s
    5. Increasing color variety and saturation with the Graduated filter
      3m 50s
    6. Creative tip: Tenacity
      1m 14s
  19. 44m 2s
    1. Adjustment Brush overview
      7m 4s
    2. Essential Adjustment Brush shortcuts
      3m 33s
    3. Enhancing makeup color
      4m 14s
    4. Whitening and brightening teeth
      3m 17s
    5. Improving eyes
      5m 57s
    6. Softening and smoothing skin
      7m 10s
    7. Brightening and improving shadows
      3m 5s
    8. Darkening lips and cheeks
      3m 25s
    9. Correcting overall exposure
      3m 48s
    10. Subtly correcting exposure
      2m 29s
  20. 16m 9s
    1. Demystifying the tone curve controls
      5m 15s
    2. Increasing contrast and color with the tone curve controls
      4m 46s
    3. Correcting exposure with the tone curve controls
      4m 34s
    4. Creative tip: Shoot what matters
      1m 34s
  21. 26m 53s
    1. Understanding the HSL controls
      5m 2s
    2. Using the HSL Target Adjustment tool
      3m 44s
    3. Brightening tones with HSL
      1m 36s
    4. Using HSL to increase warm tones
      3m 4s
    5. Using HSL to increase warm and cool tones
      2m 56s
    6. Creative color with HSL
      2m 57s
    7. Desaturating color with HSL
      3m 27s
    8. Using the Color panel
      4m 7s
  22. 23m 34s
    1. Introducing black-and-white conversion
      2m 15s
    2. Understanding Black & White Mix
      2m 21s
    3. Converting to black and white
      4m 10s
    4. Black-and-white workflow with virtual copies
      3m 35s
    5. Enhancing black-and-white images with the Adjustment Brush
      3m 7s
    6. Using presets to convert to black and white
      3m 12s
    7. Creating a black-and-white collection
      4m 54s
  23. 10m 54s
    1. Understanding split toning
      3m 37s
    2. Advanced split-toning tips
      4m 10s
    3. Split-toning a color image
      3m 7s
  24. 21m 27s
    1. Introducing noise reduction
      3m 26s
    2. Introducing sharpening
      3m 42s
    3. Sharpening in Lightroom
      5m 44s
    4. Advanced sharpening in Lightroom and Photoshop
      5m 4s
    5. Removing chromatic aberration
      3m 31s
  25. 24m 54s
    1. Using the Lens Correction controls
      5m 53s
    2. Enhancing images with lens correction
      3m 6s
    3. Synchronizing vignette settings across multiple images
      2m 32s
    4. Combining lens correction, Lightroom, and Photoshop
      3m 36s
    5. Adding a post-crop vignette
      3m 57s
    6. Adding film grain with the Effects panel
      5m 50s
  26. 7m 37s
    1. Understanding Camera Calibration in Lightroom
      4m 46s
    2. Creative color with Camera Calibration
      2m 51s
  27. 38m 28s
    1. Basic Develop module workflow
      7m 28s
    2. Workflow for converting to black and white
      10m 11s
    3. Workflow project: Surfing
      6m 8s
    4. Workflow project: Portrait
      4m 58s
    5. Workflow project: Portrait details
      8m 39s
    6. Creative tip: Go outside
      1m 4s
  28. 36m 31s
    1. Creating a collection to make a slideshow
      3m 56s
    2. Selecting the best images for the slideshow
      3m 17s
    3. Customizing the layout of the slideshow
      3m 34s
    4. Customizing the background of the slideshow
      4m 14s
    5. Customizing overlay elements for the slideshow
      6m 39s
    6. Creating titles for the slideshow
      2m 27s
    7. Playing back the slideshow
      4m 24s
    8. Previewing the slideshow
      4m 0s
    9. Exporting the slideshow to different formats
      4m 0s
  29. 48m 34s
    1. Creating a collection of images to print
      3m 20s
    2. Laying out images into preset templates
      4m 34s
    3. Customizing the layout of a single image
      4m 26s
    4. Choosing page options for a single image
      6m 8s
    5. Specifying the print job options for a single image
      6m 19s
    6. Creating a custom package
      4m 36s
    7. Creating a picture package
      4m 16s
    8. Printing one image quickly
      1m 42s
    9. Creating a custom print template
      4m 34s
    10. Effective print workflow
      8m 39s
  30. 32m 3s
    1. Creating a collection of images for a web gallery
      5m 18s
    2. Using web gallery templates
      3m 27s
    3. Customizing a web gallery
      6m 49s
    4. Uploading a web gallery
      4m 19s
    5. Creating color and black-and-white galleries
      3m 48s
    6. Uploading color and black-and-white galleries
      3m 32s
    7. Online web gallery resources
      2m 53s
    8. Domain name and hosting overview
      1m 57s
  31. 3m 26s
    1. Online resources and the Lightroom Newsletter
      2m 55s
    2. Goodbye
      31s

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