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Sorting and stacking edited photos in Lightroom

From: Using Lightroom and Photoshop Together

Video: Sorting and stacking edited photos in Lightroom

Many of the Lightroom Photoshop workflows we've looked at in this course result in at least two files, an original and a copy of the original. Now imagine that you have hundreds of photos in your Lightroom catalog. You are going to want to have the copies somewhere near the original so that you can see that they go together. Lightroom tries to solve that for you with this preference that you see here in the External Editing Preferences window, the Stack With Original preference, which is checked by default. Let's take a look at what this does, and then we'll turn it off and talk about how you might keep your derivative files and your originals together, even without stacking them.

Sorting and stacking edited photos in Lightroom

Many of the Lightroom Photoshop workflows we've looked at in this course result in at least two files, an original and a copy of the original. Now imagine that you have hundreds of photos in your Lightroom catalog. You are going to want to have the copies somewhere near the original so that you can see that they go together. Lightroom tries to solve that for you with this preference that you see here in the External Editing Preferences window, the Stack With Original preference, which is checked by default. Let's take a look at what this does, and then we'll turn it off and talk about how you might keep your derivative files and your originals together, even without stacking them.

So with the stacking preference enabled, I'll close my preferences. Here in my Lightroom library, I can see thumbnails of the photos in the grid, as well as down here in the film strip. I will select the first photo in the grid, and assume that I have adjusted it in my Lightroom Develop Module, and now I want to take it into Photoshop for further editing. I'll press Cmd+E, that's Ctrl+ E on the PC, that opens the Edit Photo window that we have seen before, I'll leave it set to Edit a Copy with Lightroom Adjustments, and click Edit. That opens the photo into Photoshop, and here with, the Crop tool, I am going to create a little black frame around this image.

I have black as my background color in the toolbox. I'll just hold down the Option key to crop from the center out, and the Shift key to constrain proportions, and I'll drag out to make a little frame. That crosshatch that you see on top of the photo, by the way, is part of the new Crop tool in Photoshop CS6. It's the Rule of Thirds diagram. I'll click this check mark to accept that, and then I'll save the file with this change from Photoshop by pressing Cmd+S, that's Ctrl+S on the PC, and then I'll close the file.

Now back in Lightroom. The original and the copy that was just made in that workflow sit next to one another in the stack. How do I know they are stacked? Well, if I have the badges on in grid view, then I'll be able to see on this file that it's one of two, and this, that it's two of two. Another hint that there is a stack here are the very small double lines that you see on the outside of the frames on each of these cells. Second, it can be a really useful way to organize your library, because it lets you collapse similar images into a pile so that you don't have to look at all of them in your library.

But it may not be the best solution for keeping originals and copies next to one another. Here's why. If I collapse this stack by clicking this double line, and if I had hundreds of photos here and some time had gone by, when I come back to look at my library it may not be obvious that this is a copy of an original and that the original is there. So you may prefer not to have Lightroom automatically stack copies with their originals at the end of a Lightroom Photoshop workflow. If that's the case then you want to turn off that preference in Lightroom's external editing preferences.

I'll open the Preferences again by pressing Cmd+Comma, that's Control+Comma on the PC, and I am going to uncheck Stack With Original and close the Preferences. Now let's try that same process on another file. I'll select this thumbnail in the grid, and again assume that I've adjusted the file in Lightroom, and I'm ready to take it to Photoshop. I'll press Cmd+E or Ctrl+E, and in the Edit Photo window, I'll press Edit. The file opens in Photoshop, and I am going to do the same thing to it with the Crop tool. I'll press Option+Shift and Drag, then I'll press Return or Enter on the keyboard to accept that, and I'll save the file Cmd+S or Ctrl+S, and close it.

The shortcut for closing, by the way, in Photoshop, is Cmd+W or Ctrl+W. Now we'll go back to Lightroom, and I am happy to find the copy that was just made, the one with the frame, which happens to be a TIFF, right next to the original, which is a JPEG. So that's great. Except that can change if I happen to change the sort order by thumbnails in the grid. The sort menu is here in the toolbar under the grid. If your toolbar isn't showing then press T on your keyboard. Now, let's say that for some reason I changed the sort order in the grid to show the same file types next to one another.

Well, now the thumbnail of the copy, which is a TIFF, is nowhere near the thumbnail of the original, which is a JPEG. Or let's say that I have the sort order set to Added Order, which is the order in which thumbnails are added to a source, like a folder in this case. Again, because the copy is the last thing that I added to this folder, it's nowhere near the original, which is way up at the top of the folder. So if I scroll up here, I can see the original JPEG. So the upshot is, if you are going to uncheck the stacking preference, which is the default, then you want to be sure when you are looking for originals and copies made from those originals during a Lightroom Photoshop workflow, that you set your sort menu to one of the options that's going to put those two files together.

Capture Time is usually a good choice. File Name may work too, depending on the file naming convention that you have set in Lightroom's External Editor preferences.

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Using Lightroom and Photoshop Together

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  1. 10m 38s
    1. Welcome
      36s
    2. Using the exercise files
      4m 4s
    3. Why use Lightroom and Photoshop together?
      5m 58s
  2. 16m 37s
    1. Setting Lightroom preferences for editing in Photoshop
      6m 20s
    2. Setting file naming preferences in Lightroom
      4m 27s
    3. Maximizing PSD compatibility in Photoshop
      4m 40s
    4. Matching color settings
      1m 10s
  3. 24m 25s
    1. Passing raw files from Lightroom to Photoshop
      8m 17s
    2. Handling mismatches with Open Anyway
      6m 21s
    3. Handling mismatches with Render using Lightroom
      4m 43s
    4. Updating your software
      5m 4s
  4. 19m 41s
    1. Passing non-raw photos from Lightroom to Photoshop
      4m 9s
    2. Choosing Edit a Copy With Lightroom Adjustments
      5m 26s
    3. Choosing Edit a Copy
      3m 59s
    4. Choosing Edit Original
      3m 34s
    5. Revisiting edits
      2m 33s
  5. 17m 9s
    1. Creating presets for editing in Photoshop
      4m 51s
    2. Passing photos to Photoshop with presets
      4m 48s
    3. Creating presets for editing in Elements
      3m 4s
    4. Passing photos to Elements with presets
      4m 26s
  6. 10m 44s
    1. Sorting and stacking edited photos in Lightroom
      5m 1s
    2. Synchronizing metadata between Lightroom and Bridge
      5m 43s
  7. 56m 22s
    1. Building a panorama with Lightroom and Photoshop
      6m 57s
    2. Creating an HDR image with Lightroom and Photoshop
      5m 51s
    3. Creating a Photoshop Smart Object from Lightroom
      6m 32s
    4. Opening as layers in Photoshop from Lightroom
      4m 47s
    5. Applying photographic filters
      5m 33s
    6. Photo compositing
      7m 30s
    7. Making precise local corrections
      5m 28s
    8. Retouching and removing content
      6m 36s
    9. Enhancing photos with text and graphics
      7m 8s
  8. 39s
    1. Goodbye
      39s

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