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InDesign CS4 Beyond the Basics
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Integrating InDesign and Illustrator


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InDesign CS4 Beyond the Basics

with David Blatner

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In the last movie I mentioned how you can create all kinds of cool effects InDesign without ever having to use another program, but the truth is that sometimes it really is better to use a different program for some effects. The good news is that InDesign plays well with its Creative Suite friends. For example, sometimes I need to accomplish a tricky effect, but maintain my vector lines. That's when I pull out my favorite vector program, Adobe Illustrator. I am going to apply an interesting effect to this number five red logo. Currently it's grouped, so I will go to the Object menu and ungroup it and select just that red logo with a number five in it and I am going to copy it out, switch over to Illustrator, create a new document and paste it in here.
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  1. 2m 11s
    1. Welcome
      1m 3s
    2. Using the exercise files
      1m 8s
  2. 25m 16s
    1. Reviewing Control panel shortcuts
      8m 34s
    2. Managing panels
      6m 14s
    3. Letting InDesign do the math
      2m 52s
    4. Using Selection tool clicks
      1m 39s
    5. Using Quick Apply shortcuts
      3m 2s
    6. Setting up context shortcuts
      2m 55s
  3. 23m 51s
    1. Using column guides
      3m 42s
    2. Formatting and positioning guides
      5m 15s
    3. Setting first baseline options
      5m 30s
    4. Using the Document grid
      3m 13s
    5. Setting bleeds
      3m 3s
    6. Using slugs
      3m 8s
  4. 48m 2s
    1. Shuffling pages (or not)
      2m 47s
    2. Scaling objects to a specific size
      2m 32s
    3. Aligning objects to a page
      4m 41s
    4. Using advanced libraries
      4m 5s
    5. Using advanced anchored objects
      11m 21s
    6. Setting non-printing objects
      3m 10s
    7. Creating notes
      5m 23s
    8. Using Data Merge
      10m 41s
    9. Creating templates
      3m 22s
  5. 39m 32s
    1. Creating polygons and starbursts
      2m 35s
    2. Setting custom stroke styles
      5m 15s
    3. Using advanced effects
      8m 46s
    4. Making masks in InDesign
      4m 10s
    5. Integrating InDesign and Illustrator
      4m 59s
    6. Setting compound paths
      5m 4s
    7. Using advanced clipping paths
      6m 6s
    8. Using advanced image transparency
      2m 37s
  6. 55m 26s
    1. Using advanced text formatting
      5m 37s
    2. Using other languages
      4m 22s
    3. Setting advanced paragraph numbering
      3m 12s
    4. Using GREP to find/change
      6m 54s
    5. Managing glyphs
      5m 6s
    6. Finding and changing glyphs
      2m 39s
    7. Adding footnotes
      7m 57s
    8. Creating outlines
      3m 39s
    9. Setting conditional text
      9m 16s
    10. Creating cross-references
      6m 44s
  7. 33m 3s
    1. Advanced text importing
      7m 49s
    2. Using Apply Next Style
      5m 4s
    3. Advanced text styling
      6m 9s
    4. Setting load styles
      2m 58s
    5. Linking to text files on disk
      4m 1s
    6. Understanding GREP styles
      7m 2s
  8. 1h 4m
    1. Building a multi-document book
      4m 42s
    2. Setting page numbering across books
      7m 53s
    3. Setting chapter numbering
      6m 7s
    4. Using the Section Marker feature
      6m 53s
    5. Creating "Continued On..." numbers
      4m 44s
    6. Synchronizing documents in a book
      5m 41s
    7. Creating a table of contents
      11m 24s
    8. Indexing documents
      7m 24s
    9. Generating an index
      6m 47s
    10. Printing or exporting a book
      3m 10s
  9. 46m 4s
    1. Creating hyperlinks
      12m 53s
    2. Setting bookmarks
      6m 7s
    3. Creating buttons
      11m 16s
    4. Making movies
      8m 24s
    5. Creating sounds
      4m 51s
    6. Setting page transitions
      2m 33s
  10. 25m 59s
    1. Setting up swatch and style defaults
      3m 24s
    2. Using mixed ink colors
      6m 16s
    3. Working with duotones
      4m 23s
    4. Overprinting
      2m 10s
    5. Ink aliasing
      4m 50s
    6. Using the Kuler panel
      4m 56s
  11. 50m 27s
    1. Creating the transparency blend space
      4m 6s
    2. Understanding InDesign color settings
      9m 8s
    3. Assign Profile and Convert to Profile
      3m 26s
    4. Working with RGB images
      7m 54s
    5. Working with CMYK images
      6m 28s
    6. Soft-proofing
      5m 18s
    7. Managing color at print time
      7m 25s
    8. Managing color in a PDF export
      6m 42s
  12. 42m 1s
    1. Embedding preflight profiles
      5m 1s
    2. Using the Transparency Flattener preview
      3m 23s
    3. Reviewing Transparency Flattener settings
      6m 30s
    4. Setting print presets
      3m 35s
    5. Setting PDF presets
      3m 21s
    6. Exporting to XHTML
      7m 42s
    7. Exporting to SWF
      6m 45s
    8. Exporting to XFL
      5m 44s
  13. 25m 58s
    1. Understanding XML and InDesign
      6m 51s
    2. Structuring InDesign content
      4m 17s
    3. Importing XML
      6m 57s
    4. Exporting to XML
      7m 53s
  14. 34s
    1. Goodbye
      34s

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InDesign CS4 Beyond the Basics
8h 3m Intermediate Dec 05, 2008

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David Blatner brings his knowledge of and passion for InDesign to the latest release of this state-of-the-art publishing program, showing how to harness its power and functionality. InDesign CS4 Beyond the Basics covers the process of publishing with an eye on the program's latest nuances: optimizing page layouts, automating InDesign with Data Merge and XML, exploring interactive documents (including making movies), and exporting publications to a variety of formats. Exercise files accompany the course.

Topics include:
  • Automating with Data Merge and XML
  • Optimizing page layouts
  • Using advanced effects
  • Creating interactive documents
  • Integrating with Illustrator
Subject:
Design
Software:
InDesign
Author:
David Blatner

Integrating InDesign and Illustrator

In the last movie I mentioned how you can create all kinds of cool effects InDesign without ever having to use another program, but the truth is that sometimes it really is better to use a different program for some effects. The good news is that InDesign plays well with its Creative Suite friends. For example, sometimes I need to accomplish a tricky effect, but maintain my vector lines. That's when I pull out my favorite vector program, Adobe Illustrator. I am going to apply an interesting effect to this number five red logo. Currently it's grouped, so I will go to the Object menu and ungroup it and select just that red logo with a number five in it and I am going to copy it out, switch over to Illustrator, create a new document and paste it in here.

The fact that you can copy and paste objects between Illustrator and InDesign means that you can create all kinds of really interesting effects. In this case while that object that I pasted is selected, I will go to the Effect menu, scroll down to 3D and I am going to Extrude & Bevel that. Let's make it look to the other direction. Click on More Options and set my light source in Illustrator over the left side, click OK. So that's looking pretty good. I have made my 3D looking effect, but now I need to get it back into InDesign. How do I do it? Well, there is two options. Let me show you both of them.

First I could select it copy it and copy it and come back to InDesign and paste. When I paste it comes in as actual editable vector objects in InDesign. Let's move that up here and zoom in so we can see. It looks like a solid object, with a 3D effect applied to it, but if I switch to the direct selection tool by pressing A, you can see that's actually made up of lots and lots of tiny objects. In some cases that's a benefit. For example, I could actually select each one of these objects and change its fill or color. If I want to change the color of one of those objects I just select it with the direct select tool, go to the Swatches panel and change it to anything else I want.

Here I will change the tint of that foreground color to let's say 50% of it. I am not saying it's attractive, I am just saying that you can do it. The problem with doing it this way, with copying and pasting, is it normally you get lots and lots of different objects, but it's very hard to edit it later. Let's say I want to revolve this the other direction instead. Well, I am stuck if there is already vector objects here in InDesign. So I am going to select this whole group, delete it and go back to Illustrator and show you the other way, the way that I typically would do this, which is to save it as an Illustrator file.

Save As, I am going to save this out on my desktop as No5.ai, click Save, click OK and now I want to bring this into InDesign. There is various ways that you can do this. I will just use the Place command. I will go back to InDesign, say Place, choose No5.ai and click Open. Now when I place this, you can see that it looks almost exactly the same, but it's an actual Illustrator file and because it's an Illustrator file, it's very easy to edit it later by Option+double clicking or Alt+double clicking on Windows, which launches Illustrator and lets me change it.

Here I will go to the Appearance panel and I will adjust my Extrude & Bevel to make this look the other direction, just change that angle, change the angle of the lighting click OK, Save it, close it, come back to InDesign and we can see that it updates immediately. That whole edit original feature is really helpful. I love being able to go back and forth between Illustrator and InDesign that easily. Now this whole copy and paste thing between InDesign and Illustrator is cool and it's very powerful, but it doesn't always work the way you would expect. For example, I will zoom back out here to Fit in Window and go to the next page with Shift+Page Down. Let's grab a bunch of text here, maybe this whole column and I am going to copy that out and come back to the Illustrator, create a New Document and paste this.

In this case, the text doesn't come in, just as objects the way you would expect it to. It's so complex. There is so many words, so many characters that Illustrator actually has to outline some of it. So if I click OK, I can see that some of it is text and some of it is outlined. It's actually pretty horrible. I wish that InDesign and Illustrator worked more closely together, but it just doesn't all of the time. So copy and paste simple objects, simple outlines, but not big chunks of text. That rule goes the other way as well. You don't want to copy out complex artwork from Illustrator and try and paste it into InDesign. Simple logos are great, but if you are starting to do gradients meshes and all kinds of complex stuff in Illustrator, you are not going to get the quality you want when you paste that into InDesign. In general you just place to import your Illustrator files. It's more reliable, more efficient, but copy and paste can work, but reserve it for when you have relatively simple artwork and when you really need to make changes to those vectors in InDesign.

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