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008 Selecting through and into objects using cmd-click and Select Above/Below

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Video: 008 Selecting through and into objects using cmd-click and Select Above/Below

David: In a complex layout, one of the most frustrating roadblocks is not being able to select something on your page. For example, I want to select this text frame, so I click on it but I don't select the frame at all. I select the graphic frame that's sitting on top of that text frame. This graphic frame is the one that has the map of California in it. So how do I select through that frame to get the text frame underneath? Simple. Just Command+Click on the Mac or Ctrl+Click on Windows. When I do that, I select through the object to the object underneath.

008 Selecting through and into objects using cmd-click and Select Above/Below

David: In a complex layout, one of the most frustrating roadblocks is not being able to select something on your page. For example, I want to select this text frame, so I click on it but I don't select the frame at all. I select the graphic frame that's sitting on top of that text frame. This graphic frame is the one that has the map of California in it. So how do I select through that frame to get the text frame underneath? Simple. Just Command+Click on the Mac or Ctrl+Click on Windows. When I do that, I select through the object to the object underneath.

InDesign is full of selection tricks like that and it really behooves you to learn a few of these if you're going to be working in InDesign very much. Here's another one. I want to select inside this group. I click on it once and I can see that it's a group because of the dashed line around it. Let me zoom in to 200% by pressing Command+2 or Ctrl+2 on Windows. See that dashed line? That's definitely a group that contains multiple text frames. How do I select one frame inside of that group? Well, in InDesign CS5 I can simply double-click. The double-click goes into the group and selects the next object down in that group.

In this case, we can see that there's another group that was part of the bigger group. This group has two frames in it. So I will double-click again and you can see that now I have selected one frame, the one that says California, inside that group. If I double-click a third time, InDesign switches to the Type tool and places the cursor inside that word, because it's a text frame. Now I can actually select this text very easily and edit it all I want to. But what if I want to move up the group, like select the object itself? That's where the Escape key comes in.

Press Escape once and you select the frame that holds that text. Press Escape again and you move up to the group that holds that text frame. If I press Escape key a third time, it selects the top group, the one that holds all of those objects. If you're using an older version of InDesign, then forget those double-clicks and Escapes and instead focus up here in the Control panel. The Control panel actually gives you buttons for selecting inside of a group. For example, this button here means select the content. that means go down into the group.

That selects the first frame inside the group. Now I can move among the various objects in the group by the Selecting Next and Select Previous buttons. There is the next one, there's the next one. Well, I can see there are only two objects in here. There's that group. So I will go down into that group and then select that one. You get the point. When you click, you move into or around your group. Select the Container to move up the group. Let's zoom out to fit the whole page in the window again with the Command+0 or Ctrl+0 on Windows, and I want to show you one other very important feature in InDesign CS5 that lets you select objects, and that is the Layers panel.

Most people don't think about the Layers panel as being a place that you select objects, but it turns out to be extremely helpful. I am going to open the Layers panel by clicking on this little tile there and then I'm going to focus on this little twist-down triangle next to the layer name. When I click on that in InDesign CS5 I can see all of the objects and groups on that layer. Not only that, but it also shows me what is selected. See that little blue box? That indicates that items are selected on that layer. If I want to select a different object on that layer, just find the object and click on that little box next to it.

For example, if I want to go back and find this text frame again where it says Our vacation was fantastic, I'll come over to Layers panel, scan down it until I see something that looks right, and then click on the little box next to it. There we go! I have selected it. By the way, here is a secret tip about the Layers panel. If you have an object that you're going to be selecting a lot, you probably want to name it something special and you can do that by clicking on it, pausing, and then clicking again. Click, pause, click. That's the trick. That highlights the name and now we can change it to something else like I will put it in all caps, SELECT ME. There we go! Hit Enter or Return and now you can see that it really is highlighted there, and I can always get back to it quickly.

Obviously, that didn't change the text on the page at all. That just gave it a name so it's more obvious in the Layers panel. Now the last selection tip I want to point out about the Layers panel is it's really a good idea to set things on separate layer so that you can hide them and lock them and so on. Let me show you what I mean. There are three images down here at the bottom of my layer and I am going to put those on a different layer. I can do that by creating a new layer. I'll click on the New Layer button. Drag that down below Layer 1. I just drag that down until I saw that little black bar, that moved it below Layer 1 and then I can select these three objects.

In this case note that I am not selecting them on the page, I'm simply selecting them inside the Layers panel and I am moving those down under Layer 2. I will open that twisty triangle there and you can see that now those images are on Layer 2 instead of Layer 1. I never actually had to select the images on the page at all to do that. But the great thing about having these images on their own layer is that I can hide that layer or lock it. For example, I can click on that little eyeball icon there and they just disappear. I will turn it back on again and they reappear. Or I will click in the lockbox and you can see that they're all now locked.

If I try clicking on one of those images, it simply will not be selected. That's a great way to control what can and cannot be selected in your document. I can even lock a single object. I will select this map of California, go back to the Layers panel, and click on that lockbox. Now if I try and select that text frame, it's easy. I simply click and because the map of California is locked, it's not selectable and I click right through it. Selecting an object on your page should be really simple, but when layouts get complicated, knowing all these tricks really comes in handy.

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InDesign Secrets

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Anne-Marie Concepción and David Blatner
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  1. 2m 34s
    1. 175 How to sort text in InDesign NEW
      2m 34s
  2. 51s
    1. 001 Welcome to InDesign Secrets
      51s
  3. 7m 7s
    1. 173 Making a character style change only the tint of your text
      2m 27s
    2. 174 Editing table set up from the keyboard
      4m 40s
  4. 12m 59s
    1. 170 All about All Caps (change case, open type option)
      4m 36s
    2. 171 Batch convert InDesign files to IDML and other formats
      2m 35s
    3. 172 Fun with placeholder text
      5m 48s
  5. 11m 52s
    1. 167 Creating blank entry spaces on forms
      3m 53s
    2. 168 Creative uses of the Slug area
      4m 45s
    3. 169 Change the UI languaging in InDesign CS6 and CC
      3m 14s
  6. 21m 11s
    1. 162 Keeping page numbers on top of master items
      3m 55s
    2. 163 Adding automatic currency symbols in a table cell or before text
      3m 50s
    3. 164 Make a pop-up footnote for your ebook
      3m 48s
    4. 165 Deleting tabs at the beginning of paragraphs and applying a paragraph style
      3m 10s
    5. 166 Five InDesign Presentation tips
      6m 28s
  7. 19m 54s
    1. 158 Sharing swatches (PS/IL/ID and ID to ID)
      3m 36s
    2. 159 Convert rounded corners to editable paths
      3m 15s
    3. 160 Convert local formatting to character styles
      5m 14s
    4. 161 Sort an index by page number
      7m 49s
  8. 16m 58s
    1. 154 When InDesign ignores your leading values
      4m 5s
    2. 155 Extracting images from a Word document
      3m 42s
    3. 156 Uncommon uses for Quick Apply
      6m 2s
    4. 157 Uncovering InDesign's magic font folders
      3m 9s
  9. 28m 47s
    1. 149 Cropping with paste into
      5m 18s
    2. 150 Using vertical justification to spread out text in a frame automatically
      5m 16s
    3. 151 Rotate text inside a frame, or the frame around the text
      2m 30s
    4. 152 Looking at snippets vs. libraries
      6m 49s
    5. 153 Import a folder full of pictures, one per page
      8m 54s
  10. 19m 1s
    1. 145 Lay out a front, back and spine for a book jacket
      6m 12s
    2. 146 Ghosting area of image behind text
      2m 53s
    3. 147 Make a transparency mask in InDesign
      3m 45s
    4. 148 Using preflight to find common document errors
      6m 11s
  11. 22m 35s
    1. 140 Faking bold and italic when the font family doesn’t have one
      5m 2s
    2. 141 Keeping the same scale size when updating or relinking to images
      3m 9s
    3. 142 Inserting glyphs
      6m 42s
    4. 143 Building richer, bolder color gradients
      3m 7s
    5. 144 Finding the right font with InDesign’s font menus
      4m 35s
  12. 21m 28s
    1. 136 Fitting text to a specific size
      4m 45s
    2. 137 Quick tips for making a small PDF file size
      6m 9s
    3. 138 Sharing presets, workspaces, and custom shortcuts sets
      5m 17s
    4. 139 Making a multi-level numbered list
      5m 17s
  13. 17m 21s
    1. 132 Changing the shape of polygons and starburst as you draw or afterward
      4m 17s
    2. 133 Contextual text and images that you only want sometimes visible
      4m 55s
    3. 134 Creating nav points in a movie
      4m 31s
    4. 135 Adding effects to your rule above and rule below
      3m 38s
  14. 22m 44s
    1. 128 Making automatic jump lines
      6m 52s
    2. 129 Turning off allow pages to shuffle in order to separate facing pages
      3m 40s
    3. 130 Dealing with parentheses around text size
      4m 19s
    4. 131 Make a fill in the blank label for contracts and forms
      7m 53s
  15. 23m 25s
    1. 123 Allow text frame to resize with text
      2m 43s
    2. 124 Mapping Word styles to InDesign styles
      5m 48s
    3. 125 Make two automatically threaded text flows
      3m 37s
    4. 126 Saving for Web in InDesign
      6m 7s
    5. 127 Numbering rows in a table
      5m 10s
  16. 13m 50s
    1. 120 Making alternative body text styles for fast typesetting
      5m 4s
    2. 121 Making InDesign patterns with the free PatternMaker
      3m 45s
    3. 122 Creating pull quotes the easy way
      5m 1s
  17. 13m 56s
    1. 117 Selecting text with the InDesign keyboard dance
      2m 0s
    2. 118 Including a total page count in your page numbers
      6m 19s
    3. 119 Making a custom arrowhead
      5m 37s
  18. 21m 53s
    1. 112 Packaging images on the pasteboard
      3m 32s
    2. 113 Automatically updating figure references for books
      6m 9s
    3. 114 Adding Tool Tips to your form fields in InDesign
      3m 21s
    4. 115 Setting poetry, flush left, center on longest line
      3m 54s
    5. 116 Use bookmarks to navigate long documents in production
      4m 57s
  19. 18m 26s
    1. 108 Using the same keyboard shortcut for two different commands with the Context feature
      5m 22s
    2. 109 Making a text highlighter
      3m 33s
    3. 110 Updating an interactive PDF without losing work done in Acrobat
      5m 31s
    4. 111 Adding custom text at the beginning of each line automatically
      4m 0s
  20. 25m 3s
    1. 104 Converting text to outlines the right way
      4m 30s
    2. 105 Turning InDesign into a speed demon
      8m 31s
    3. 106 Working with MiniBridge
      5m 45s
    4. 107 Customize your QR codes
      6m 17s
  21. 16m 34s
    1. 100 Aligning Objects tips and tricks
      5m 10s
    2. 101 Applying corner options to any shape
      2m 17s
    3. 102 Converting footnotes to endnotes with a free script
      4m 49s
    4. 103 Making tab leaders pretty
      4m 18s
  22. 24m 41s
    1. 096 Managing changing pages with primary text frames
      5m 23s
    2. 097 Secrets of the Info panel
      7m 31s
    3. 098 Surprising ways to do a word count
      5m 29s
    4. 099 Placing an object where you want it with an object style
      6m 18s
  23. 30m 33s
    1. 090 Three great Object Styles for any designer
      8m 1s
    2. 091 Choosing alpha channel image transparency
      2m 25s
    3. 092 Adding and reading metadata for InDesign files
      3m 25s
    4. 093 Adding ALT tags to your images
      6m 59s
    5. 094 How to Place & Link a text frame's text but not its formatting
      7m 4s
    6. 095 Setting the baseline position of a caption
      2m 39s
  24. 17m 58s
    1. 086 Using Illustrator to create InDesign gradient swatches
      4m 49s
    2. 087 Building a simple grep style to change character size
      3m 45s
    3. 088 Exporting a grayscale PDF
      3m 16s
    4. 089 Three ways to cheat text outside of its frame
      6m 8s
  25. 28m 38s
    1. 082 Creating a custom cross-reference format
      13m 53s
    2. 083 Putting different-sized pages on a single spread
      3m 7s
    3. 084 Formatting prices with nested and grep styles
      6m 21s
    4. 085 Checking out the Gridify tricks
      5m 17s
  26. 19m 15s
    1. 078 The secrets of formatting objects with Find/Change
      6m 34s
    2. 079 Using ruler guides: 10 great tricks
      5m 3s
    3. 080 Converting a clipping path to a frame
      4m 24s
    4. 081 Adding a drop shadow to a single word inside a frame
      3m 14s
  27. 31m 18s
    1. 074 Working with sets in the content conveyor tool
      10m 40s
    2. 075 Running text along the top and the bottom of a circle
      3m 51s
    3. 076 Creating a list using the Table of Contents feature
      3m 25s
    4. 077 Quickly threading frames together and unthreading frames
      13m 22s
  28. 29m 32s
    1. 070 Ten uses of the Story Editor
      11m 39s
    2. 071 Moving an object: Ten ways!
      7m 18s
    3. 072 Understanding optical margin alignment (and the quote trick)
      4m 23s
    4. 073 Changing the shape of any frame with the pen tool
      6m 12s
  29. 17m 47s
    1. 066 Customizing the story editor preferences
      6m 4s
    2. 067 Setting the size of text exactly with this free script
      3m 28s
    3. 068 Using Gravity to simulate perspective
      3m 15s
    4. 069 Fixing the overflowing text frame problem in EPUBs
      5m 0s
  30. 23m 37s
    1. 062 Embedding images
      7m 43s
    2. 063 Adjusting leading inside a paragraph
      4m 31s
    3. 064 Placing one InDesign file inside another
      3m 58s
    4. 065 Creating bookmarks for PDFs
      7m 25s
  31. 29m 16s
    1. 058 Text wrapping
      6m 54s
    2. 059 Inserting pages: Understanding the Pages panel
      4m 20s
    3. 060 Copying paths between Illustrator and InDesign
      5m 14s
    4. 061 Automating Find/Change with the Find/ChangeByList script
      12m 48s
  32. 35m 12s
    1. 052 Five things that should be in every new file
      5m 19s
    2. 053 Forcing EPUB page breaks with invisible objects
      6m 21s
    3. 054 Understanding component information
      6m 39s
    4. 055 Creating running heads using section markers
      4m 16s
    5. 056 Making a font with InDesign using the IndyFont script
      5m 20s
    6. 057 Finding where that color is used
      7m 17s
  33. 23m 41s
    1. 048 Specifying an exact amount of space between objects
      5m 17s
    2. 049 Fixing last lines that are too short
      8m 16s
    3. 050 Creating web graphics from your InDesign artwork
      7m 20s
    4. 051 Using “No Language” to suppress unwanted hyphenation, spell-checking, and smart quotes
      2m 48s
  34. 21m 30s
    1. 044 Formatting fractions correctly
      8m 11s
    2. 045 Fixing unwanted hyperlinks in an imported Word file
      5m 57s
    3. 046 Inline graphic tricks with invisible paragraphs
      4m 21s
    4. 047 Ensuring the first line of every chapter starts in the same spot
      3m 1s
  35. 29m 56s
    1. 038 Updating a linked table without losing formatting
      5m 38s
    2. 039 Creating electronic sticky notes
      4m 49s
    3. 040 Moving master page items to the top layer for visibility
      2m 48s
    4. 041 Five guide tricks that will impress your coworkers
      6m 18s
    5. 042 Letting InDesign add the diacritics
      4m 21s
    6. 043 Using single-cell table cells for custom paragraph formatting
      6m 2s
  36. 28m 19s
    1. 034 Importing a custom dictionary
      7m 8s
    2. 035 Changing document orientation and page size
      6m 45s
    3. 036 Numbering instead of using auto page numbers
      6m 23s
    4. 037 Setting story order with the Articles panel
      8m 3s
  37. 37m 59s
    1. 028 Creating running heads using variables
      5m 1s
    2. 029 Live Caption tips and tricks
      8m 3s
    3. 030 Making professional drop caps
      10m 37s
    4. 031 Making two-state buttons in interactive documents
      5m 5s
    5. 032 Moving pages from one document to another
      3m 15s
    6. 033 Wrapping bulleted text around a curve
      5m 58s
  38. 23m 50s
    1. 024 Using layer comps in Photoshop files to show alternates in InDesign
      4m 19s
    2. 025 Adding custom HTML tags to EPUB/HTML exports
      5m 32s
    3. 026 Tracking down type issues with the composition highlighter
      8m 13s
    4. 027 Managing your InDesign panels
      5m 46s
  39. 21m 34s
    1. 020 Using multiple windows for comparisons
      3m 35s
    2. 021 Putting images on a stroke
      5m 23s
    3. 022 Making your own motion path
      5m 43s
    4. 023 Copying objects between Illustrator and InDesign
      6m 53s
  40. 23m 9s
    1. 016 Aligning numbered lists by decimal points
      3m 10s
    2. 017 Running a script
      9m 33s
    3. 018 When text disappears from a text frame
      6m 18s
    4. 019 Preview and Presentation modes (changing color, etc.)
      4m 8s
  41. 25m 19s
    1. 012 InDesign's Easter eggs
      5m 0s
    2. 013 Three cool GREP styles everyone can use
      7m 35s
    3. 014 A field guide to special characters
      8m 2s
    4. 015 Trashing the application preferences to solve weird behaviors
      4m 42s
  42. 26m 7s
    1. 008 Selecting through and into objects using cmd-click and Select Above/Below
      5m 46s
    2. 009 Some great tips and tricks for the Swatches panel
      9m 40s
    3. 010 Saving down for backward compatibility with INX and IDML
      5m 55s
    4. 011 Using the INX and IDML formats to fix problems
      4m 46s
  43. 23m 26s
    1. 004 The indispensible Quick Apply feature
      5m 29s
    2. 005 Customizing the Links panel
      6m 53s
    3. 006 Magically building graphs with the Chartwell font
      7m 43s
    4. 007 Using the Eyedropper tool to pick up character or paragraph attributes
      3m 21s
  44. 9m 6s
    1. 002 The hidden "auto-expand text" feature
      5m 51s
    2. 003 Letting InDesign do the math for you
      3m 15s

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