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Video: Hiding frame borders

In the last lesson we created this page here, which is the frames page, and it has these different documents in the different frames, and we explained how all of that works. And you'll notice that it has these lovely borders here, when I hover the mouse over them, the pointer changes to something that I can drag. So I can actually resize these borders, and that's not necessarily what you want when you're creating a frames document. Most people would rather have their frames document look like this with no borders whatsoever, and all their pages are nicely butted up against each other. So they blend together and you can even do nice things with your graphics to make them merge, so that it looks very coherent and then when I click on these links, you'll see that they all show up in the content area just all nicely merged together.
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  1. 5m 10s
    1. Welcome
      1m 16s
    2. Using the exercise files
      1m 23s
    3. Choosing a text editor
      2m 31s
  2. 15m 46s
    1. Introducing HTML and XHTML
      2m 53s
    2. Understanding versions of HTML and XHTML
      2m 25s
    3. Exploring a simple XHTML page
      4m 47s
    4. Understanding the structure of an XHTML document
      2m 58s
    5. Understanding document containers
      54s
    6. Creating and using templates
      1m 49s
  3. 42m 4s
    1. Understanding how empty space is formatted in XHTML
      2m 42s
    2. Using paragraph tags
      2m 42s
    3. Aligning paragraphs
      2m 49s
    4. Understanding block-level and inline tags
      1m 24s
    5. Controlling line breaks and spaces
      5m 43s
    6. Formatting text with phrase element tags
      3m 28s
    7. Formatting text with font markup elements
      3m 24s
    8. Adding document structure with headings
      3m 25s
    9. Formatting quotations and quote marks
      2m 19s
    10. Preserving pre-formatted text
      1m 30s
    11. Selecting a typeface
      4m 33s
    12. Selecting a type size
      2m 11s
    13. Using ordered and unordered lists
      5m 54s
  4. 7m 48s
    1. Using inline images
      3m 17s
    2. Flowing text around an image
      2m 4s
    3. Breaking lines around an image
      2m 27s
  5. 22m 34s
    1. Working with hyperlinks
      7m 46s
    2. Using relative URLs
      3m 5s
    3. Specifying a base URL
      2m 4s
    4. Linking within a page using fragments
      4m 28s
    5. Creating image links
      5m 11s
  6. 22m 56s
    1. Introducing tables
      4m 37s
    2. Formatting tables with CSS
      8m 50s
    3. Aligning images with tables
      5m 7s
    4. Reviewing an alternative solution using CSS
      4m 22s
  7. 14m 31s
    1. Introducing frames
      7m 56s
    2. Hiding frame borders
      3m 15s
    3. Creating inline frames using iFrame
      3m 20s
  8. 20m 50s
    1. Introducing forms: part 1
      10m 37s
    2. Introducing forms: part 2
      7m 45s
    3. Using CGI with forms
      2m 28s
  9. 25m 42s
    1. Introducing CSS
      3m 11s
    2. Understanding levels of inheritance
      6m 10s
    3. Learning CSS syntax
      11m 23s
    4. Using units of measure in CSS
      4m 58s
  10. 1h 45m
    1. Comparing table layout and CSS layout
      1m 25s
    2. Exploring the finished web site
      2m 37s
    3. Building a document header
      8m 18s
    4. Placing a banner and a contact button
      8m 13s
    5. Laying out a main menu
      6m 55s
    6. Creating a layout template: main body area
      13m 31s
    7. Creating a layout template: sidebar area
      5m 17s
    8. Creating a layout template: footer content
      4m 46s
    9. Building a main home page: main body content
      11m 24s
    10. Building a main home page: sidebar content
      8m 52s
    11. Creating a page with a menu, graphics, and formatted links
      13m 26s
    12. Creating a page containing an ordered list
      6m 44s
    13. Creating a page containing video
      10m 45s
    14. Touring the finished site
      3m 45s
  11. 53s
    1. Goodbye
      53s

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XHTML and HTML Essential Training
4h 44m Beginner Jul 28, 2009

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In XHTML and HTML Essential Training, Bill Weinman helps designers and coders understand XHTML and HTML. In the process, Bill covers document structure, block and inline-level tags, floating images, controlling white space, phrase and font markup, and tables and frames. He even provides a good introduction to CSS. Bill offers step-by-step guidance for building a complete working web site. Exercise files accompany the course.

Topics include:
  • Understanding the structure of an HTML or XHTML document
  • Creating and using templates
  • Controlling white space and line breaks
  • Making effective use of tables and frames
  • Flowing text around an image
  • Formatting tables with CSS
  • Creating web pages that work properly across platforms and devices
  • Reviewing a case study of a complete web site
Subjects:
Developer Web Web Design Web Foundations Programming Languages Web Development
Software:
HTML XHTML
Author:
Bill Weinman

Hiding frame borders

In the last lesson we created this page here, which is the frames page, and it has these different documents in the different frames, and we explained how all of that works. And you'll notice that it has these lovely borders here, when I hover the mouse over them, the pointer changes to something that I can drag. So I can actually resize these borders, and that's not necessarily what you want when you're creating a frames document. Most people would rather have their frames document look like this with no borders whatsoever, and all their pages are nicely butted up against each other. So they blend together and you can even do nice things with your graphics to make them merge, so that it looks very coherent and then when I click on these links, you'll see that they all show up in the content area just all nicely merged together.

So most people would like to have that rather than this. Now the problem with this is you'll notice that it says your Frames Example (not valid), and that's because that's the title that I gave the document, because there is XHTML in there that's actually not valid XHTML and that is necessary to get this effect. The problem is that the XHTML standard does not include the facility to make these borders go away. So here is the valid example, and this is as close as you can get to with valid XHTML, and you'll notice it still has this border, and I can still grab it, and I can still move things around which is not at all what you want when you're trying to get this effect here.

So just as long as you understand that this is breaking the rules, and that it works in every browser I've tried it in, and the browser companies of course are more interested in having it work than in having it satisfy the standards committee, and so am I, and so are you. So we'll go ahead and I'll show you how this works, and just understand, you should try it in all the browsers that matter to you and make sure that it actually works in all those browsers. As of this recording, it works in all the browsers that I've tried it in. So here is the XHTML that I'm talking about, and this is a frameset document, and you'll notice that the only difference here between this one and the one that we looked out before is that it has this border="0" attribute, and it's just in this one place in this frameset.

It doesn't really need to be in any of the other framesets or any of the other frames, or anywhere else in the document, and really that is the entire trick. The problem of course is that that attribute is not defined with this tag. And so, if you try to run it through one of those automated validated things that the standard committees would like you to be using, that I haven't even shown you where they are, you'll find that it doesn't validate, and that's really the only problem which is not a problem, because it works in the browsers, and that's what matters. So this is how you do that. I'm going to show you the valid version here, which has this frameborder="0", on each of the frames and that actually makes it stop displaying that gray border that we saw in this original one.

And instead, it gives you this white border, which doesn't really help much, and so that's what the standard version of it does. The not valid version of it is the one that works, and this has the Border="0" attribute, and it looks like this in the browser. So that's how you make the border go away, and as I said, it works in all the browsers that I know of, and it is not a part of the XHTML standard.

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Q: In this title, the instructor uses tables to create a website design. Is there a way to create this same layout with CSS?
A: This course will be updated to include CSS-based layout techniques within
the next few months. In the meantime, please see Bill's <a href="
http://www.lynda.com/home/DisplayCourse.aspx?lpk2=52341">CSS for
Developers</a> title for more information on coding with CSS.
Q: In the "Understanding the structure of an XHTML document" movie in Chapter 1, where does the "Roses are red," etc, text come from? I don't see it in the code.
A: Notice the <frame src="??"> tags. These reference other .html files that contain the content of the various frames. Details about how frames work can be found in Chapter 6 of the course.
Q: In this title, the instructor uses tables to create a website design. Is there a way to create this same layout with CSS?
A: This course will be updated to include CSS-based layout techniques later in 2012. In the meantime, please see Bill's CSS for Developers title for more information on coding with CSS.
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